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230-n-up-or-bust

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Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« on: November 15, 2004, 07:17:27 AM »
If I bowl in one more tournament filled with ego-maniacs that require five lanes dedicated to your next miserably thrown effort, I'm gonna spit.  I've been bowling for 25+ years.  As far as my game is concerned, the pins have never moved, never started to react to a shot before I've thrown one, and never have the skies opened up to God above instructing me to halt my progress.  Your focus needs to be with the pins, not with what's happening 10-12 feet on either side of you.  If you've got the front eight or nine, fine.  You'll get the necessary courtesy you request/deserve.  Now, if someone decides to throw something at you, different story.  But, until then, if you want two lanes, join the PBA.  And you sure as hell better not be pissed at me if I suddenly appear in your peripheral vision.

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stanski

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Re: Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2004, 03:21:19 PM »
I agree, I only need one lane courtesy, unless you have one of those guys who runs out every strike.
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Re: Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2004, 03:25:31 PM »
230, I agree, but wondered if it would matter if it was courtesy to the pair on either side, rather than two lane?  If you watch, when "2 lane" is done correctly it amounts to courtesy to the pair on each side, not 2 lanes.  (you bowl, someone on the pair on your left bowls, then someone on the pair to the right, then you again.)  But, in principle, your correct - it twists my gaskets when Joe Leaguebowler can't bowl without half the house waiting on him.  Particularly when a good percentage of bowlers seem to give ZERO lane courtesy.
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DP3

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Re: Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2004, 03:33:47 PM »
Obviously the original poster isn't a Scratch Tournament bowler.  Not counting the ABC Tournament, every big scratch or collegiate tournament I've ever been to to spectate, or bowl in, 2 lane curtosey was not only expected, but the norm.  If done right with bowlers that know what they are doing it goes just as fast as any other form of play.  Maybe faster.  It's not a hard concept so get a hold of.  Take an example, in a 16 lane house Lanes 1, 4, 7, 10, 13, 16 go throw a ball at the same time to start off, then lanes 2, 5, 8, 11, 14 go throw a ball, then the bowlers on the first set of lanes clear a spare if need be while lanes 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, set up to bowl.  Then repeat.  

It's the guys that take forever looking both ways like they're crossing time square than hold up the play on two lane curtosey.  I feel if you're in a league format, observe the bowlers and see what the lane curtosey system is of the house and adapt to it.  I bowl a full collegiate tournament schedule and about 5-8 scratch tournaments a year and that's all 2 lane curtosey, so I'm used to that, but in my Wednesday night league guys are used to 1 lane curtosey so I have to adapt even though it was foreign to me at first because even in leagues back home where I am originally from, you'll get 2 lanes curtosey.  

It's a conterversial topic, but you're all rilled up about it and throwing a fit like it's been bothering you all day.  I'll see a bowler like you in the house throwing a fit like that and I'll make sure I can do anything possible that's going to cause you to fry out cause it only shows a weak mental game.  Think about that.
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Re: Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2004, 03:42:51 PM »
DP3, you couldn't be more incorrect.  I've bowled in the ABC's, college, PBA regionals, PTQ's, scratch tourneys, etc.  And, my mental game is, by far, my biggest asset.  The point that you have failed to realize is, "Why must it exist?"  Are you unable to focus if someone is within a certain radius of your starting position?  Your concern is not to your left or right, but directly in front of you.  Now, maybe where you bowl there are some Coor's Light models that parade a few feet from the ball returns and distract your attention, but I'm not nearly that lucky.
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Re: Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2004, 03:44:07 PM »
Actually the PBA is more than two lanes....Around My area it was always taught one lane for mixed leagues & two for Mens leagues where gambling is taking place...Again this is a curtesy not a rule...If You are bowling next to Me & do not wish to give two lanes"No Problem" I just let You go first....I guess for bowlers that have ten boards to hit that average over 200 But can not make spares lane curtesy to them is a Bother....But there is a reason Pros & Top Bowlers want two lanes because there is a thing called "side vision" & it can affect a shot....If it does mean anything than why does everybody give plenty of room for a potential 300
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Re: Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2004, 03:50:03 PM »
Two lane courtesy works okay, as long as you don't have people who take all day to set up and throw, and as long as everyone follows it.  Once people start jumping, it can turn into a free-for-all.

I like the way the PBA does it, but you can't use that approach in a league setting, where guys are off getting beers and checking their Quick Draw tickets...
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Re: Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2004, 04:11:00 PM »
The biggest thing a pair to each side courtesy does is even out the tournament.  IE, everyone finishes on their pair at about the same time.  Nothing worse than finishing early on your pair, moving to the next pair and having to wait 10-15 minutes to start the next match.


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Walking E

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Re: Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2004, 04:24:36 PM »
I HATE two-lane courtesy, so fortunately for me my scratch league changed the courtesy rule to one lane about 4-5 years ago.
Currently in league play, if I know the bowler well and have determined that he wants 2-lane AND he's a nice guy then I'll usually let him have it, but otherwise I'll step up on him. We had one guy who was a major jerk anyway so I took great pleasure in stepping up on him and making him walk off the approach.
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DP3

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Re: Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2004, 04:32:48 PM »
Well I apologize for my tournament bowler comments, but if you've bowled all this stuff you say you have why should two lane curtosey be such a major issue with you that it should be eliminated?
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230-n-up-or-bust

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Re: Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2004, 04:35:19 PM »
Walking E, I think you may have hit the nail on the head.  It's the way the people that DEMAND two lane courtesy react when it's not given to them.  Whether intentional or not, if a bowler is so ticked off by a simple mistake such as creeping into your field of vision, find a different hobby. As for my own experience, I'll give two-lane courtesy, reluctantly, to ANYONE that wishes to have it.  I'll also take 95% of them on in pot games and fill my tank with gas in 30 minutes.  I bowl in two scratch leagues, three & four man teams.  Not one player asks for two lane courtesy and there's probably 80% of our four man league that bowls in a lot more weekend tourneys that this mere mortal.
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Re: Rant of the day-Two lane courtesy...Why?!?
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2004, 04:36:49 PM »
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Well I apologize for my tournament bowler comments, but if you've bowled all this stuff you say you have why should two lane curtosey be such a major issue with you that it should be eliminated?
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DP3, no problem.  It did sound like it was something that had stewed inside for quite some time and it's all good.  My reply to Walking E might assist in the second part of your post.
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