Author Topic: PC Slump May Be Ending...UPDATE (Read 1415 times)

ThongPrincess · « **on:** February 26, 2005, 02:37:27 PM »

(PC = Post Coaching) I had the Ebonie Bowler's MAP about a month ago. Analysis of my game showed a rev rate of 345, ball speed off the hand at 15.73 and at the pins at 15.43. My PAP was 2" out with 0 down or up. The video showed that the rev rate was deceptive since a portion was the result of top spin.

The main problem was my pushaway going out too far and not downward soon enough. This made it like I was chasing the ball and put my non bowling are going way up to maintain balance. The fix was to shorten the outward movement and make it like pushing the ball over a bar and letting it drop. The non bowling arm is to push out to the right after the ball drops.

I have been working on it and my bowling scores have dropped dramatically due to my having to think about making the changes. My follow through became tentative and my accuracy fluctuated. Recently things have felt a little better.

Today was team event for LABA City Tournament. I had to come in at 194 and had already talked to my team about the drop in average lately. They didn't care, they just wanted to bowl and have fun. I think their attitude was a major asset, I didn't feel any pressure and just had fun. We were also on a pair with a great group of guys who were joking with us.

Game 1 I started with a double and ended with a turkey for a 203. Game 2 the lanes started to transition and I was slow in making the right adjustment, but finished strong for a 168. Game 3 I hit a string of 4 in the middle of the game and shot 228 for a 599 series.

Overall the ball was rolling well and my follow through is back. I didn't feel tentative at all. I realize there are going to be good and bad days, but it sure felt good to have 2 dueces in the set. I've only shot 1 200 in the last month.

Thanks for reading, I just felt a need to share

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Edited on 3/3/2005 9:11 PM

J_Mac · « **Reply #1 on:** February 27, 2005, 02:53:18 AM »

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(PC = Post Coaching) I had the Ebonie Bowler's MAP about a month ago. Analysis of my game showed a rev rate of 345, ball speed off the hand at 15.73 and at the pins at 15.43. My PAP was 2" out with 0 down or up.
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Only 2" out? That's insane!
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ThongPrincess · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2005, 12:00:12 PM »

J Mac, that's about what my new coach said. Getting rid of the top spin will help move the PAP.

Luvswatch and Bones, thanks for the words of encouragement. I know if I try to go back to the old way, I'll never get the new going. It has been tough, just ask my teammates how many times I went home with tears of frustration welling up in my eyes, or how many times I appologized for shooting so badly. Thankfully they were there to support me and encourage me. I feel blessed to have some really great guys to bowl with and the friends I've made here have also been supportive.
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It's not that life is too short. It's that you are dead

for sooooo LONG

MSC2471 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 27, 2005, 12:43:32 PM »

TP: Keep us posted with your progress. The coach I'm working with told me that some aspects of my game may suffer decreases in terms of scoring but I will see increases once I learn to set the new ways in muscle memory. Overall I'm noticing that my tougher house average has been increasing while my higher average house is stable...

Matt

ThongPrincess · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2005, 08:15:31 PM »

For those who are interested, today was my follow up lesson. Many positives to report. PAP is now out 4 1/2"and down 1/2. Rev Rate is down to 247, no longer off from top spin. Ball speed off the hand 17.05 and 16.54 at the pins.

The video analysis and comparison from the 2/2/05 initial lesson showed I am staying behind the ball better, timing has improved, and the ball is rolling much better. Yahoo!!!!

Last night in league 218-195-215=628 my sheet average was 168....there is a light at the end of the tunnel. New thing to work on is rotating the hand slightly.

Parting words form my coach...."Don't be so hard on yourself, you're doing great!"
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It's not that life is too short. It's that you are dead

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TheBowlingKid25 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2005, 08:33:57 PM »

Yea TP, sounds to me your making a ton of progress!! Man...375 rpm? I think thats more then me!

Dont worry though, once you get yourself set in to your new style, there will be no stopping you. I know its really hard to change your whole game. The good thing about doing it now though, is that your very educated about what your doing so you dont make yourself get any bad habits while learning. When I "re-learned" everything, I had one college kid tell me what to do at a tournament they had and that was it. lol. GOOD LUCK! Let us know how things go for you, I hope you get used to things and can get back to where you were before quickly!
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ThongPrincess · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2005, 04:41:09 PM »

Bones, thank you! Looking back, I wish I had taken the game more seriously when I started back in 1978. I have had some great people work with me, but no one on a consistent basis until recently. I joined league because my fiance wanted me to join with a bunch of friends. Being a lefty, I didn't have many role modles in league to imitate, and was pretty left to my own devices. But thats hindsight and we all know it is 20/20...had I been smarter I wouldn't have done alot of things I did!

BK, the rev rate at 345 is deceiving, most of it was from top spin. My coach told me a story about Robert Smith. They were holding a rev rate contest at Nationals and he couldn't understand how he was only sitting in like 5th place. These guys were getting some rediculous rates being recorded. Robert was stumped. After talking to some people about it, he discovered their secret, spin the ball. Once he found that out, he joined the spinners and blew them all out of the water.

Sooooo the 345 I had was not a good thing. The 247 is beneficial revs and a good thing. He told me the rev rate should be relative to the ball speed and right now he said things are looking very good

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It's not that life is too short. It's that you are dead

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CharlieBrown · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2005, 04:51:11 PM »

Princess,

So how did you manage to change your PAP, I mean to get a much higher track? What did you do differently? Lock your wrist? Cupped wrist? What's the secret cos I've been having a hard time lately.

Thanks!
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ThongPrincess · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2005, 05:19:55 PM »

It's not really a secret, but the key is staying behind the ball longer. I actually had to stop wearing the wrist support to get the feel. I found that out accidently when I was too lazy to go back up the steps and get it

I decided to just roll the ball without it and found I could feel the ball in the hand longer. In the 2/2 video the fingers were coming out of the ball too early, so the practice was to "feel" the ball in the palm of the hand longer. In the 3/3 video, the fingers were coming out later and around rather than on top of the ball.

For me, a big part of the problem was the push away going straight out into an almost locked arm position, rather than out slightly and down. It is better, but I still need to get to the downward motion sooner.

It has taken a lot of work and fighting the feeling that I am just plain a crappy bowler and never will be where I want to be. Bones said it best when he referred to going back to what was before when things get tough. I have said before and will say again, I've got a lot of great friends who helped me get through the worst times. I believe the worst is behind me and the best is yet to come

Boy am I feeling the Friday optimism

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It's not that life is too short. It's that you are dead

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CharlieBrown · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2005, 05:38:48 PM »

Thanks TP!

I guess I really have to get a coach to have a look at my game, I just don't get this concept of 'staying behind the ball'.

I look at Ron C's website, and I 'try' to let my thumb roll off as early as possible before I turn my wrist, still my roll is like Ryan Shafer's, i.e. too much tilt. It just seems to me that with this kind of 'roll', my ball just doesn't read the lane correctly, esp on heavy oil.

Seems that with that kind of roll, I'm not using the core's full potential, if that make sense.

Anyway thanks, and good luck with your game!!!

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