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Title: 8 10 Split?
Post by: Fourgeorge on December 05, 2007, 02:34:17 PM: I was bowling the first game in my league yesterday (Tuesday), I started with 7 striaght strikes, then on the 8 frame I hit the pocket flush and left a 8 10 split. It totally ruined my game.

So my question is, how the hell do I leave a 8 10 split after nailing the pocket? It only happened once, but it really pissed me off.
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: baseballfrk8998 on December 05, 2007, 10:43:36 PM: I can leave stone 8's and solid 10's, why not leave them both in one shot? Haha. Can't say that I've ever done that. I'd be sooo frustrated. I opened up with the front 7 once and left a 10 pin. Bounced the ball outta the gutter and picked it up.
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: Fourgeorge on December 06, 2007, 01:38:22 AM: No, I hit the 8 pin head on.
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: AngloBowler on December 06, 2007, 03:23:51 AM: If I leave an 8-10, and I don't leave them often, I usually find it's just a case of the ball running out of energy before it reaches the pins, and hitting them flat. You can tell if you listen to it, when it hits the pins, it's a very different sound.
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: J_Mac on December 06, 2007, 03:37:03 AM: You're ball makes it to the pocket and gets smacked around by the pins because it's rolled out.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kennmelvin/V810.Htm
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: supersid802 on December 06, 2007, 05:35:30 AM: normally when im playing deeper..im a lefty so like ten out to five...no seriously but when i move inside around 15 i havea habit of really helping the ball and it becomes a struggle to not turn it early, but one i do its an 8 10 looking at me right in the face...kinds suckssometiems because the shot before i will see the 8 or the 10 fall late to even remind me to stay behind the ball
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: Goof1073 on December 06, 2007, 06:01:52 AM: For me a split like an 8 - 10 happens if I just flat off miss the ball at the bottom...

...it's one of those massive "oops shots" that happen from time to time.
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: Dan Belcher on December 06, 2007, 06:14:29 AM: The two most common causes of the 8-10 are either the ball rolling out, or catching a little too much oil and hitting light. Several weeks ago, I had the front 9 strikes, and in the first ball in the 10th I got the ball off my hand about a board further left than I wanted, and it left a blower 8-10. It happens.
Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: novawagonmaster on December 06, 2007, 06:15:16 AM: I've never left the 8-10 on a flush pocket hit. I've never left the 8-10 with a resin ball, period. I do leave the 8-10 once in a while on a light hit when throwing plastic. It's just deflection and lack of angle.
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: rexb300 on December 06, 2007, 06:22:32 AM: had 11 strikes couple weeks ago 8th frame a 8-10
it was flush looked good to me
it made my day.

sometimes I thinking double tap solid 8 and 10
on 1 ball. any ideas about this.
RB
Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 06, 2007, 07:49:28 AM: an 8-10 split is usually caused by one of the follwing:

too much ball speed
you're not quite lined up yet
carrydown
not enough roll on the ball
pin(s)off spot
Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: KDawg77 on December 06, 2007, 07:54:38 AM: Late/steep entry angle on the shot rolled past the 8 pin and everything missed the 10.
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: justdale on December 06, 2007, 07:55:23 AM: I agree with GREG HOPPE, all the 8-10's I ahve ever seen or even left myself is because of what he described, mostly though it is because the ball looks good, just doesn't have the same roll, no drive just flat
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: pop_1 on December 06, 2007, 07:56:46 AM: quote:
I agree with GREG HOPPE, all the 8-10's I ahve ever seen or even left myself is because of what he described, mostly though it is because the ball looks good, just doesn't have the same roll, no drive just flat
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: novawagonmaster on December 06, 2007, 09:04:30 AM: quote:
Late/steep entry angle on the shot rolled past the 8 pin and everything missed the 10.
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I believe he is right handed (7-9 would fit your description for him).
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Edited on 12/6/2007 10:04 AM
Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: balibowler on December 06, 2007, 09:21:03 AM: quote:
normally when im playing deeper..im a lefty so like ten out to five...no seriously but when i move inside around 15 i havea habit of really helping the ball and it becomes a struggle to not turn it early, but one i do its an 8 10 looking at me right in the face...kinds suckssometiems because the shot before i will see the 8 or the 10 fall late to even remind me to stay behind the ball
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an 8-10 for you and me is a very different thing than it is for a right hander...
Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: ChrispyBrownies on December 06, 2007, 09:49:39 AM: A few weeks ago, I really good friend of mine was bowling beside us in HS competition. He had the front 11, smashed the next shot and left the 8-10. I was still happy for him though, it was his first and still his only honor score, a 298.
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: Scolai on December 06, 2007, 10:08:00 AM: One word for you:

Deflection.

I'd think the ball hit light flush and deflected. The 5 went in front of the 8 and the 6 just flopped around in the gutter.

It happens. Just throw the next shot.
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Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: vrbowlinfl on December 06, 2007, 12:28:40 PM: it's easy to leave them at the center I bowl at. The heads are dry and there is usually carry down fairly quickly. So the ball burns up and with the carry down the ball hits like a marshmellow.
Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: Ishmael on December 06, 2007, 12:42:47 PM: There's two ways to leave an 8 pin for a right hander.

First and most obvious is a slighly light hit that deflects enough to catch only the right side of the 5 pin sending it in front of the 8.

Second is a purely solid pocket hit that drives the headpin into the 2 pin in such a way that the headpin rebounds into the 5 before the ball gets to the 5 and therefore the ball cannot push the 5 into the 8.

You should be able to tell which occurred based on where the ball exits the pin deck.

Since you left the 10 with the 8, it was most likely option 1. That type of hit will often leave a flat 10 as well.
Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 06, 2007, 02:01:48 PM: 8-10's are caused in my saturday night mixed league due to plastic ball carrydown. this is a very common experience to have carrydown near your breakpoint. usually a little move to the right will solve this.
Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: Fourgeorge on December 06, 2007, 03:02:46 PM: Thanks for all the responses.

The thing that really frustrated me was the throw and look was exactly the same as the first 7 strikes.

It must have been carrydown, but damn was I close to a 300 (I ended up with 11 strikes, and 1 open frame).
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Edited on 12/6/2007 4:03 PM
Title: Re: 8 10 Split?
Post by: shelley on December 06, 2007, 03:21:14 PM: I called an 8-10 on a guy who needed to strike to beat me in brackets one night. Worked better than giving him The Button.

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