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Hex017

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A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« on: March 28, 2005, 03:23:13 PM »
This topic might end up being more than the title says but anyway I want to talk about this. I have been looking for a good dry lane ball and still have not set my heart on one. My favorite line is down and in and there seems to be nothing weak enough anymore except for plastic.

Something I want to point out to everyone is how balls are today. Has anyone noticed the idea of smooth has gone out the window? Everything now is super hook and 50 feet and left. Just today watching some of the older video clips(thanks for whoever posted that 95TPC clip) I noticed how smooth the older stuff is compared to the stuff today. Why do you think this is? Am I at a total misconception? If I am please point it out to me but I was looking for a few new balls to help out with my arsenal and all I find in recommendations are AI's and GP2s and all the killer stuff. This stuff is great but has anyone here ever been recommended a Super Trooper? Funny aren't I? Ignoring the fact that I don't like C300 very much it seems like this ball is smooth, good hook but will gradually turn to the pocket rather than this powerful hook. I'm not even talking about dull resin either, sure it is smoother but still not even like before. I may be totally ignorant since I was not around to throw the Teal Rhinos or Track Heat in its glory days but it seems that 'smooth' has gone bye bye to me. I think I will be going back and trying to hunt down some older stuff to remake my arsenal. Thinking of replacing my thrash with a Hextreme and trying to find one of the Hots from Storm for something to put in dry. Just seems like dry balls don't exist anymore, no matter what anyway does. It may just be my slow speed and med rev rate that does me in but with ball technology as good as it is I would think there would be something. Just want to hear what everyone thinks on this, especially some of the guys who have thrown older stuff, how do you like the older stuff to the now?
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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2005, 11:28:22 PM »
my purple buzzsaw...its the ball i use everyday(at a couple of houses)....its all about smooth...works great

its quite funny when people around say how wierd it is as it justs "moves" to the pocket without any kind of flip....THATS WHY I LIKE IT!!

i might plug and redrill a heat i got laying around here just to see what was so great about it.

compare to my xception which the ball gets down the lane in a fashion of when i just start to wonder if its going to make its move, it gets "kicked" left...usually right through the headpin

im hoping on getting a black buzzsaw for dryer stuff than what the purple likes
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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2005, 11:46:57 PM »
Much of what you are saying is true. Much of it is the equipment, however I believe that for the most part equipment is not smooth anymore because lane conditions do not allow them to be.

Today more bowling centers clean the lanes daily as opposed to once a week. This results in a strong backend reaction.
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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2005, 11:49:55 PM »
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Much of what you are saying is true. Much of it is the equipment, however I believe that for the most part equipment is not smooth anymore because lane conditions do not allow them to be.

Today more bowling centers clean the lanes daily as opposed to once a week. This results in a strong backend reaction.


Were bowling alleys not stripped and oiled as much in the past? That is something that never crossed my mind...
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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2005, 11:52:02 PM »
My Columbia PANIC.

Cross Hatch 600 grit finished with Columbia 2000 degree polish.

So smooth and rounded it is unbelievable!

I almost can't miss the pocket with it on a shot that is so over/under for the lefties no one can believe it!  As I watch the other lefties have to really motor the ball to avoid jump I am floating this thing to the pocket nearly every time!  Misses and it still recovers great playing a gentle swing!

VERY VERY SIMILAR to a Red Pulse but just as smooth but curls just a touch harder.  Gets thru the heads a touch better.  Sort of a half pearl half solid

Due to low flare.24.

Awesome piece of today's equipment.

Has replaced my Sonic X, Sonic Boom, and Pirahna solid in my bag!  Ya hoo!

Just slightly weaker than a Hex!

REgards,

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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2005, 12:26:23 AM »
As far as older equipment being smoother, I tend to agree that today's balls can have more jump than the older resin equipment. I never had big swings in moves of my equipment with a Black Phantom or any of the Champions equipment I had in the bag compared to some of the equipment I have that is considered dry lane equipment today.

However, two dry lane balls that I have in my arsenal that I do think have the smooth look you are desiring off the dry would be the Dynothane Barrage and the Columbia Panic. With the correct layout and coverstock preparation I think either one could give you the smooth look you want.

But then again, I see a lot of people in my area pulling out the Turbo X or Teal Rhino Pro when the lanes are dry and they are fine and dandy with hitting the pocket...

Matt

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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2005, 01:01:08 AM »
Some good oldies to try to find:

Blue Hot Flame
Hot Shot
Walter Ray MVP
Combat Zone Tracer
Blue/Burgnady Hammer
AMF Slam

Some newer ones that would work as well:

Groove Urethane (ask BrunsNick bout that one)
Power Groove (any of them)
Super Trooper
Fear/Panic
Pioneer (if you can find one)
Slate Blue Gargoyle (urethane)


Most of these wont cost an arm and a leg and will do the trick on a drier house from outside.

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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2005, 08:08:30 AM »
I have an oldie that most ole time bowlers would agree was a great ball of its time on light oil to dry. I have a butterscotch Crown Jewel that still takes out the five pin like a new ball.
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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2005, 07:16:20 PM »
I am a medium speed stroker and bowl on synthetic lanes that rarely see oil.
I recently was stuggling and in the 5th pulled out my Columbia Wild laid it straight dow on 7 and imade a smooth turn to the pocket every shot. I only shot 600 because I was not consistent with my speed.
When I swing it like yesterday it still has a very smooth arc to the pocket.
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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2005, 08:09:15 PM »
Hows about the smooth Jade Pearl Piranha. Its 10 years old.  I can play the same shot on dry just need to adjust my hand. Very smooth!! Thats why I love it. When my other stuff is jumping this balls reaction never does anything different.

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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2005, 08:16:22 PM »
The Morich Colossus Pearl is a good ball for dry lane conditions.
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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2005, 07:01:11 AM »
For dry lane conditions, I pull out two bowling balls: Storm Hot Rod and Brunswick Rhino Pro Teal.

My Hot Rod is polished and will slide down the lane then turn an hit hard.
My Rhino Pro Teal is 800 grit matte finish and will do a smooth arching motion.

If you can find a Rhino Pro Teal, even used, buy it and you will not regret it.

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Re: A Ball for down and in on dry lanes. Talking about older equipment.
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2005, 08:18:29 AM »

Well i put a lot of revs in.. But when i play a down and in shot.. I like either my Zone Classic or Power Groove(Green/Purple Pearl)..

Now don't get all bent outta shape.. I know the Classic is a pretty strong ball, BUT as it tracked out it got a lot smoother, so i sanded it down to about 1500 and it's all smooth operator now.. Can still swing it, but it has a much smoother arcing motion to it now.. I would recommend this for a med-oiled down/in-shot..
The same goes for my Power Groove.. I took it down to 400, hit it hard with some Storm Step 2.. Then took a grey Scotch Brite to it by hand.. Just took a bit of the shine.. Smoothie.. This works great for me on real dry because the Groove can be quite jumpy when polished, but it still gets good length and hit..

In the "old days", note i'm only 26, i've liked for a down and in-shot:

AMF - Whiplash, Nighthawk
Brunwick - Rhino Pro T2, Riot Zone
C300 - SuperCuda/C Pearl, Ricochet
Ebonite - Turbo X, Omega Acryllium, TPC Shooter XL
Morich - Labyrinth

I too believe that todays regular conditioning has been the reason for you seeing balls being snappy on dry..
It could/should possible to get that smooth look downlane with the right surface prep and drill..


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