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abcarr

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Switching Spare Ball; Question
« on: August 16, 2014, 11:02:38 AM »
I've been using an old Sport-Tec urethane ball a friend gave me for shooting 6 &/or 10 pin spares and while it's not a bad ball, I'm only good for about 40% accuracy.  My approach when using this ball is to stand about 13-15 boards left of center (I'm right handed) and aim between the 3rd & 4th arrows.  If the lane conditions are just right and my aim is just right, the ball will travel down the lane (along the gutter) and I'll pick my spare.  If not, it will break too much (or too soon) to the left and I miss one or both pins.  I know I should be able to flatten out the ball enough for this shot, but I'm just not there yet. 

So what I'm going to try now is the old Zone ball I bought back in December when I first got back into bowling.  The reason I quit using it was because the thumb hole became too small after I'd been bowling for a while.  So I've got it redrilled and ready to go.  But here's my question.  Switching to a plastic ball that is going to no or very little hook to it, I know I'm going to have to change my approach/angle.  But to what degree?  Should I line up straighter to the 6/10 pins and throw straight down the laner or just reduce the angle some and try throwing/lofting the ball a little deeper down lane? 

This may be a stupid thing to ask about, but I'm just curious as to how others that are using a plastic ball approach the 6/10 or 4/7 pin spares.  And at this point (I finished the summer league with a 186 avg), I feel my inconsistancy in picking this spare is keeping me from throwing 600 series' on a more regular basis.  I know I'm not gonna become a 200 avg bowler overnight, but I've had more than a few games that could've been much better had I not left so many 6/10 pins standing.  So any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!!     
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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2014, 12:33:50 PM »
Plastic will go straighter.  How much hook you get will depend mostly on friction of the ball surface and the lane and to a lesser degree on the bowler's release.  Assume it will go straight and line up so that at the finish position (starting position on the approach will vary depending on the bowler's drift factor), you can draw a line from your bowling shoulder through your target to the pin(s).  After you see how the ball is reacting after a couple of shots, adjust your feet accordingly.

Just my thoughts and you will probably get some better replies from the more knowledgeable posters here.

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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2014, 03:02:45 PM »
After a couple years of harassment from my higher average teammates about me not having a plastic spare ball, I broke down and got one.

My ten pin conversion percentage did go up considerably. So did my average.

Now I am able to get up on the approach with more swag to throw at the nemesis of most bowlers knowing I have a better chance of busting it dead flush. Then I think to myself, I got the best of that pin!

One common piece that most all pros use is a plastic spare ball. Why? It works. 

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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2014, 04:16:52 PM »
It is all in what you practice using. In many cases there is no practice just bowling league.

Any ball even plastic over a few games starts to alter in surface. Even plastic can become rough and hook.

I would suggest taking your urethane ball and having it cleaned/polish added. That ball has a pancake weight block and mild cover. A little cleaning and adjusting of surface with polish can make it go every bit as straight as plastic. That is a $5-$15 solution.
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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2014, 07:52:53 PM »
It is all in what you practice using. In many cases there is no practice just bowling league.

Any ball even plastic over a few games starts to alter in surface. Even plastic can become rough and hook.

I would suggest taking your urethane ball and having it cleaned/polish added. That ball has a pancake weight block and mild cover. A little cleaning and adjusting of surface with polish can make it go every bit as straight as plastic. That is a $5-$15 solution.


+1 i have used a Desperado for my spares for years, but a bunch of polish on it and it goes straight enougheespecially if you can back your hand of it a bit. On top of that having urethane in the bag is a good plus. It will give you a added dimension if the lanes go all nuts you have a ball that will be smooth even on the lane.
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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2014, 08:25:06 PM »
With a plastic, even if you forget to not put hand in the ball it will more than likely always still go straight unless the lanes are complete toast. It's also a mental and confidence thing. If you feel more confident that a plastic ball will help you pick up your spares I say go for it. Just practice to make sure you understand how you will have to pick up spares and don't go through a rough transition.
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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2014, 11:00:21 PM »
spares, especially single pins comes down to fundamentals
solid fundamentals will increase shot making considerably
yes, a plastic or non-weight block core type ball will help with going much straighter for spares, but only marginally if your not consistent

food for thought

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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2014, 11:09:18 PM »
I have been using a Roto Grip Crown Poly spare ball, and I throw this ball the same as my strike ball, and with little or no hook, I have seen my ten pin pickups go from about 60%, to better part of 85%.

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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2014, 08:45:39 AM »
Thanks for the replies.  Appreciate the input and advice.

I agree that having a urethane ball is a good thing to have on hand and that's why I was using it; trying to kill two birds with one stone.  To use as a spare ball and for dry(er) lanes. 

Agree also that solid fundamentals and consistancy are key factors.  Still working on both!!  It's frustrating as hell when I've strung together a few stikes or going after an easy spare and then I throw the ball and as soon as it leaves my I hand, I'm asking myself, "what the hell was that!!" 

Gonna go practice this afternoon when I get off work and see how the Zone ball works and see if I can figure it out.  Will also keep in mind the option of having the old Sport-Tec ball cleaned and polished.  In time and with practice, that may be the better, more versatile ball to go with.

Thanks again!!         
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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2014, 10:10:42 AM »
What i work on for spares (just me-right or wrong)
i try to keep the same tempo for all of my shots, strike ball, spare ball
i want to get that muscle memory and timing the same for all shots
I have changed my swing a bit over the summer and have been able to loosen up my arm/shoulder much better than before.
this also enables me to get out of the ball cleaner, meaning i can now tape my thumb tighter.
this created some challenges with single pin spares as I used to flatten out my wrist.
tighter thumb and flatter rist made me hang up in the thumb, so im a little more around the ball with 1st ball and spares, i coulnt throw spares like that without a plastic ball

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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2014, 07:44:52 AM »
Quick update;  Bowled yesterday afternoon using the Zone ball as my spare ball and that's definitely the way to go!!  For now anyway.....   

Of the opportunities I had shooting at the 6 &/or 10 pin, I was at about 80-85%!!  Tried a method I had just read about online and it worked great.  I'm sure most experienced and long-time bowlers know this, but it was new to me...  For spares (especially the corner pins), pick an aiming point further down lane which will allow your ball to go straighter.  That may be over-simplifying it, but it works. 

Over time and once my confidence builds at consistantly picking the 6/10 pin spares I may go back to using the urethane ball, but for now I'll stick with the plastic Zone ball. 

Thanks again for all the input!!             
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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2014, 08:29:40 AM »
Try using that same method for shooting at  4 or 7 pins
Once you can make any single pin anywhere on the lane with a spare ball, your scores will definitely improve

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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2014, 01:46:36 PM »
The plastic ball takes out the guessing game. It is going to go straight, light, medium, or heavy....it doesn't matter.

Practice is the key. Play 2 or 3 games just shooting at the six and ten pins. Then do the same for the four and sevin pins. You will be amazed how your confidence goes up, when its time knock them down for a spare in league or tournament.

 
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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2014, 03:29:19 PM »
Please note this is my 2 cents. 

When i shoot 6/ 10 pin spares i use the same ball i use for regular bowling.  I, like you scoot left of center to pick these leaves up. my biggest problem I found, is that when I'm trying to pick up these pins from that angle, I tend to open my shoulders back towards the pin, which in turn makes me miss the pin to the right mostly. I really had to work at keeping my foot straight to the foul line , and not turning my body towards the pin to try and pick it up. when I was able to start doing this my carry percentage when way up on spares on the right side. this may not be your problem, but I have noticed it from quite a few people at our center that have problems picking up those certain corner pins.

I do understand that missing to the right was not in your post, however the idea of turning your shoulders towards the pin would make you inconsistent enough to miss either to the right or left, as it is hard to consistently turn your shoulders or foot, at the proper angle
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Re: Switching Spare Ball; Question
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2014, 05:27:51 PM »
Only reason to use a spare ball on THS conditions is if you cant adjust your release to go a bit straighter.  Flatter tournament patterns are another matter.  Shiny urethane or plastic is the only way to go, and it can be more important on 4 and 7 pins than on 6 and 10 pins for a right hander.  I throw my spare ball at all spare other than double wood combos.  Saves the surface of my strike ball, and give me a more consistent reaction across a lot of conditions.