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Aloarjr810 · « **on:** May 10, 2008, 11:34:28 AM »

A Cutter is a sharp breaking hook. Not a backup ball.
bowling-info.com had this CUTTER A very sharp-breaking hook.

Bowlers paradise's glossary had this-
Cutter: Sharp-breaking hook which seems to slice the pins down.

Its used more by the english when they play "Tenpins"(Bowling here)
Click here English ten_pin_bowling_glossary see cutter

They got it from a English Cricket term-

Cutter
a break delivery bowled by a fast or medium-pace bowler with similar action to a spin bowler, but at a faster pace. It is usually used in an effort to surprise the batsman, although some medium-pace bowlers use the cutter as their stock (main) delivery.

Edited on 5/10/2008 10:24 PM

novawagonmaster · « **Reply #1 on:** May 10, 2008, 07:40:41 PM »

I've heard MLB announcers call a curve ball a "cutter".
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JessN16 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 10, 2008, 07:43:23 PM »

A "cutter" in baseball is actually another name for a fastball combined with the old, near-defunct screwball pitch. If thrown by a right-handed pitcher, it will break in towards a right-hander.

Most guys who throw one do it one of two ways, either by adjusting the relative grip pressure of the two fingers, or rotating the wrist clockwise when they let go. The second method puts more movement on the pitch but also leads to more injuries. The current master of this pitch is Yankees' reliever Mariano Rivera.

Like in bowling, though, it's difficult to see how the pitch really moves because of camera angles.

Jess

Locke · « **Reply #3 on:** May 10, 2008, 07:44:24 PM »

That guy was a bad as rob stone... I think he was just trying to make up a term so he could be famous too.
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pba300900 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 10, 2008, 08:07:49 PM »

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A "cutter" in baseball is actually another name for a fastball combined with the old, near-defunct screwball pitch. If thrown by a right-handed pitcher, it will break in towards a right-hander.

i am pretty sure a right handed pitchers cutter rides in on left handed batters.
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JessN16 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 10, 2008, 08:13:56 PM »

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i am pretty sure a right handed pitchers cutter rides in on left handed batters.

If someone is describing it thusly, they are ascribing the word "cutter" to any fastball pitch with lateral movement. That doesn't make any sense to me, though, since a right-handers pitch will naturally try to go right to left anyway.

Jess

pba300900 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 10, 2008, 08:47:45 PM »

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i am pretty sure a right handed pitchers cutter rides in on left handed batters.

If someone is describing it thusly, they are ascribing the word "cutter" to any fastball pitch with lateral movement. That doesn't make any sense to me, though, since a right-handers pitch will naturally try to go right to left anyway.

Jess

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JessN16 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2008, 08:55:40 PM »

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i am pretty sure a right handed pitchers cutter rides in on left handed batters.

If someone is describing it thusly, they are ascribing the word "cutter" to any fastball pitch with lateral movement. That doesn't make any sense to me, though, since a right-handers pitch will naturally try to go right to left anyway.

Jess

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A right-handed pitcher -- unless he is throwing directly over the top, 12 to 6 -- will see his pitches want to move naturally from right to left, into a left-handed batter. It follows the arm angle.

In order to stop that from happening, you have to play with the grip pressures, hand position or apply wrist action at the point of release. How well you can do that determines how good of a pitcher you're going to be.

The "natural" tendency for a right-hander throwing a standard two-seam fastball will be for the ball to travel down and into a left-hander. That's if you don't manipulate the pitch at all. The lateral tendency will go up if you throw more across your body (or especially sidearm).

That's why I don't understand why someone would make a special effort to describe a "cutter" as a pitch that broke in on a lefthander. That's called "natural" in my book. I guess some people call anything that jams a batter's hands as a "cutter."

Jess

pba300900 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2008, 09:01:03 PM »

i see what you're saying now. i don't know why they call it what they do, but that's how it is. not everything in the world makes sense i guess.
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Robadat · « **Reply #9 on:** May 10, 2008, 09:26:29 PM »

A cutter from a right handed pitcher will move in towards a left hand batter much more than a traditional natural two seam fastball. It looks like a straight fastball coming in, and then it moves in very late, the batter doesn't have time to adjust to the lateral movement. That's why you see pitchers with excellent cutters like Mariano breaking a lot of lefthanders' bats. The late, hard movement is created by manipulating the finger pressures, wrist actions.
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FBM357 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 10, 2008, 09:29:28 PM »

Cutter (thrown by right hander) in baseball runs in on lefties and away from righties. Thrown nearly the same speed as a fastball with less wrist movement (which would be a slider) and more emphasis placed on middle finger at point of release, thus 'cutting' the ball. Because the ball is thrown hard, movement is usually late. Sliders break earlier and continue to move away (again, more wrist than cutter and much less than a curve). Angle of delivery determines the plane in which the ball moves (as such with any thrown ball)
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DON DRAPER · « **Reply #11 on:** May 10, 2008, 09:47:36 PM »

back in the 1990's when bo burton was a fixture on the pba tour and abc-tv he would frequently use the term "cutter" or "cut shot"----he was using the word as a way to describe a backup ball.

JessN16 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 10, 2008, 10:28:11 PM »

My pitching coaches taught me to "cut" fastballs into a righthander or a lefthander. The term was used for both; as taught to me, it was basically a fastball (in virtually all cases, a four-seamer) that ran laterally and late.

I just Wiki'ed this and see where they're now ascribing it mostly to pitches that run in to lefthanders, but that's different from how I was coached.

Jess

ON EDIT: Since the thinking behind it is to "cut" the pitch so that it travels in a way the batter wasn't expecting, this is how a "cutter" became taught to me as a left-to-right break. The batter is aware of the arm angle and should be expecting the ball to go right-to-left (as viewed from behind the pitcher), but by "cutting" it you "cut" it towards him and catch him off-guard.

Edited on 5/10/2008 10:49 PM

FBM357 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 10, 2008, 10:59:26 PM »

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My pitching coaches taught me to "cut" fastballs into a righthander or a lefthander. The term was used for both; as taught to me, it was basically a fastball (in virtually all cases, a four-seamer) that ran laterally and late.

I just Wiki'ed this and see where they're now ascribing it mostly to pitches that run in to lefthanders, but that's different from how I was coached.

Jess

ON EDIT: Since the thinking behind it is to "cut" the pitch so that it travels in a way the batter wasn't expecting, this is how a "cutter" became taught to me as a left-to-right break. The batter is aware of the arm angle and should be expecting the ball to go right-to-left (as viewed from behind the pitcher), but by "cutting" it you "cut" it towards him and catch him off-guard.

Edited on 5/10/2008 10:49 PM

Wow, that's a unique explanation you gave. I always thought (and have thrown) an inverted spin (counter clockwise) cause the ball to travel the opposite of clock-wise release. same theory apply to bowling as well as the spin on any round object (i.e. soccer ball, basketball etc. - bowling ball and anything thrown underhanded differs). Are you actually releasing the ball with more emphasis placed on the index finger rather than middle with a slight inverted hand?

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JessN16 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 10, 2008, 11:14:50 PM »

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Wow, that's a unique explanation you gave. I always thought (and have thrown) an inverted spin (counter clockwise) cause the ball to travel the opposite of clock-wise release. same theory apply to bowling as well as the spin on any round object (i.e. soccer ball, basketball etc. - bowling ball and anything thrown underhanded differs). Are you actually releasing the ball with more emphasis placed on the index finger rather than middle with a slight inverted hand?

Edited on 5/10/2008 11:01 PM

This was all a long time ago when I was much younger and had much better knees. (g)

When I threw a "cutter" that went into a right-handed batter, I would align the seams as a four-seam fastball, get the fingers closer together and (if holding the ball out in front of your face) move them over towards the left side of the ball, then jack up the pressure on the ring finger. My mental thought was for my hand to end up with the thumb up. This would cause the pitch (for me, anyway) to cut into a right-handed batter.

As far as running a pitch into a left-handed batter, I could accomplish that just by throwing normally. I tended to have a lot of natural right-to-left action. Most of that was because I had a release point somewhere around 1:30 to 2 o'clock and had a bad tendency to come across my body. I also couldn't get my elbow straight, consistently. I used to drive my coaches nuts.

They were always scared I was going to blow out my arm but I never did. Never had any pain from pitching at all, for that matter. I didn't even feel the need to ice down afterwards.

I've had a couple of people say my release point resembled Kevin Appier but I never fell off the mound towards first base like he did.

I didn't have good fastball speed, so I had to use movement to get people out. I threw more junk than a garbage truck at the landfill.

Jess

Edited on 5/10/2008 11:15 PM

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