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Title: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: stealth on October 17, 2008, 05:11:06 PM
I was bowling a head to head match tonight and lost 665 to 664. My problem is I out bowled him. I was throwing the correct ball and layout for this particular pattern.He was throwing the wrong ball and the wrong layout.So what gives????? I was splitting boards and he was was spraying it all over the place using as many as 3 boards at his target and by about 2 at his break point. I never missed my target or break point and still lost. What burns me the most is he needed all three in the tenth and he missed his target by a half board on each of his first shots while missing his break point point by as much as 2 boards.This just is not fair. Just venting
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: rockerbowler18 on October 18, 2008, 01:13:10 AM
No such thing as the "right ball, right layout" for any pattern.

The right ball and layout are the ones that work.

Just my two cents.

Other than that, I think we've all been there.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: Maine Man on October 18, 2008, 01:28:26 AM
Sorry, no offense, but it just sounds like sour grapes to me.  Shake his hand, congratulate him on the win, and come back and beat him next time, that's all.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: Strider on October 18, 2008, 01:31:45 AM
Is this sarcasm?  You're more accurate than 1/2 board at the arrows and 2 boards at the break point that you referenced for his 10th frame?  You never missed your target or break point for 30+ consecutive frames?  I understand losing to a sprayer, but I think you're stretching things a bit.  Like rockerbowler said, there is no perfect ball/drill/cover combination for all bowlers.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: bowlingnut07 on October 18, 2008, 01:56:14 AM
sometimes things happen
and for him the ball he had worked good.
shake his hand and call it a day
u will have your day
and best piece of advice i can give you IGNORE THE CROWNED PRINCE AT ALL COSTS
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: icefiction on October 18, 2008, 02:24:49 AM
i second what strider said, and if you can see he is missing that little from standing off the lane i wish i had ur vision
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: supernoodle on October 18, 2008, 03:43:59 AM
I worry about people who claim to split boards every shot,as nobody and I mean NOBODY hits the exact spot shot after shot. Its about trying to be as accurate as possible and using whatever area you may have.

A lot of people I have known have claimed the same thing and then been shown to be as bad as stand left/throw right spray and pray merchants when they have had their game analyzed.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: AngloBowler on October 18, 2008, 04:39:50 AM
If I hit my exact target at both arrows and breakpoint for every shot in a three game series I'm sure I'd have more than 665, so by your own logic you shouldn't have lost, I think you should have been able to manage at least a 750 with that accuracy if not more.
If you are as accurate as you say, this makes it your fault you lost, no matter what the other guy did or didn't do...
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: rvmark on October 18, 2008, 04:57:16 AM
Not sure whether to really believe this is a real complaint or just something to stir the pot and see what responses you get if that is the case then you have succeeded.

Mark
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: charlest on October 18, 2008, 05:35:13 AM
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Is this sarcasm?  You're more accurate than 1/2 board at the arrows and 2 boards at the break point that you referenced for his 10th frame?  You never missed your target or break point for 30+ consecutive frames?  I understand losing to a sprayer, but I think you're stretching things a bit.  Like rockerbowler said, there is no perfect ball/drill/cover combination for all bowlers.
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I have to agree with Strider here. I object to losing to people who carry strikes when they miss their target by 5 -10 boards and the breakpoint by as much and still carry strikes. Most pros wish they could come within 1/2 board of target and still strike.

One of things you look for in finding a target and breakpoint is area forgiveness. We're not robots we're human. Unless you're on a bad sport shot, if you don't have 2 - 3 boards of area forgiveness, you have not found the right target and breakpoint.

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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 18, 2008, 06:50:29 AM
Sounds like a made up post to me....but if true.

As Richie Sposato says so accurately.  "There should be a reward for a powerful release".  And "The best bowlers are the best combination of accuracy AND power".

A powerful release allows one to play the top hat correctly feet in the oil and gives one a chance to create area thru the pattern combined with his powerful release.

A weaker release forces one to split boards....even on the easiest of patterns.

Now you understand why you lose these matches more often than not.

Time to develop a powerful release.

Here is a great book that explains the top hat...and how to master it....

Bowling Secrets of the Pros by Bill Horvath  (http://"http://www.bowlingsbookstore.com/catbkins.html?mgiToken=469E76163DA59E6734#High%20Scoring%20Made%20Simple")

I certainly have not come close to mastering the techniques but it boils down to having a stronger release and playing deeper in the top hat!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS unfortunately still a "board splitter" to strike also!
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: KennyRambo on October 18, 2008, 07:56:56 AM
So why didn't you shoot 900?
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: sdbowler on October 18, 2008, 08:33:20 AM
It almost seems to me like he is trying to copy the post about the winner shooting 923 or something like that.
However if this is a true post you have to remember one thing it is a game of luck once you release the ball. I have been beat by many of bowlers who I should have easily beat. The one thing I have taken away from that is it was their night. We all have nights that we just don't have the luck on our side or we are not throwing the ball right. If you are as accurate as you say you are then you need to figure out why you lost. I have to agree with other posters on here that nobody is that accurate. Many of pros don't miss less then half a board over 30 frames. I was watching the replay of the womens us open the other night. Even the ladies on the shows were not that accurate. Time to wisen up and get over it.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: Stan on October 18, 2008, 08:42:09 AM
splitting boards ??  Plus you only shot 664 with the right ball and layout.

Wow, what is this world coming to, when a bowler of your caliber can't beat a 665.  NOT !  Shut up and learn how to bowl and lose like a man.
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: strikecing on October 18, 2008, 08:43:26 AM
So you say he used the wrong ball because he missed his mark and got to the pocket?? Maybe that was the right ball because it gave him the room to make mistakes as all humans do.  Im sorry but i think you used the wrong ball.  Bowling is all about give yoursrlf the best chance to win and he did just that.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: mrbowlingnut on October 18, 2008, 09:17:21 AM
I have many more bad nights of bowling scoring 670-690 versus the nights where i pure the ball and shoot 580. Honestly the nights where I am loose, work out the best on house shots or for me any shot.

If I split boards and overthink I hardly ever score, I have an area I like too play in and just change tilt and ball speed.

Just go out and throw the ball having fun while doing it, next time out you will be at 740 instead of 664. I think you overthought and where slightly tighter in your arm swing than you might believe.
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: six pack on October 18, 2008, 09:29:35 AM
I shot 650 last week and felt I stunk up the place so 664 is not shoot'n the lights out,better luck next time.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on October 18, 2008, 09:36:34 AM
(hands wally300 a tissue)

Get 'em next week, tiger!
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: Shaggy on October 18, 2008, 09:40:36 AM
Remember bowling is a game of scoring (no extra pins for style or technique).  You may be a better bowler than your opponent, however he beat you in the head to head match.  Congratulate your opponent, and better bowling next time.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: SleepOnIce on October 18, 2008, 11:31:43 AM
I wish missing my breakpoint by 2 boards was "spraying the ball". If I'm constantly within 2 boards I'm ecstatic.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: Smokey469 on October 18, 2008, 11:44:09 AM
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I wish missing my breakpoint by 2 boards was "spraying the ball". If I'm constantly within 2 boards I'm ecstatic.
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I'll second that, sounds like somebody has a case of the sore @$$!
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: BOWLGNUT on October 18, 2008, 11:58:23 AM
There will be games that a bowler can miss by a few boards on either side and carry.It depend on what ball you use that night.But wally300 fail to mention what he was using and the type of oil pattern the match was bowl on.He mention splitting boards and so for - he must have good eyesight for that.But also it just prove that he show poor sportmanship on his part.If you wally300 get beat again get over it and learn from it that is what makes a champion.
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: Mike Austin on October 18, 2008, 12:12:52 PM
This has to be a sham!  Two boards at the break point is spraying the ball?  I want to spray the ball like that!  The tour players would like to spray the ball like that!

Nobody else mentioned the reason that he lost.  Surface.  He had the right ball, right layout, WRONG SURFACE!!  His opponent had wrong ball, wrong layout, but had the right surface!!

Oh brother............!!!
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: jhutch769 on October 18, 2008, 12:13:46 PM
Simply put, get better count and pick up your spares...
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: Juggernaut on October 18, 2008, 12:38:19 PM
If you had to be that accurate to strike while your oponent was able to "spray & pray" and still beat you, you WERE NOT using the correct piece of equipment or playing the correct angle of trajectory.

 The lanes were the same for both of you. Your opponent had the "intangible" working for him while you did not. Having that makes all the difference in carry.

  Don't cry about your own mistakes.  If your opponent had an unfair advantage, or outright cheated, it would be different. Unless you left something out, stop whining.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: n00dlejester on October 18, 2008, 12:46:46 PM
Both LuckyLefty and Charlest are perfect examples of why my area and carry has gone up in general.  The "explosion point "at the bottom of my swing has gotten much better, and it shows.  

I know this has nothing to do with the OP, but hey, it's fun.  
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on October 18, 2008, 12:52:48 PM
haha is this a joke...like seriously?  Splitting boards hahaha douche.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: Dan Belcher on October 18, 2008, 12:58:27 PM
It's just a parody of 302efi's thread from the other day, calm down guys...
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on October 18, 2008, 05:50:33 PM
Well, if it makes you feel any better, my friday night league, the guy I lined up beat me 757-744 total.

Damn my bad ball selection.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: 302efi on October 18, 2008, 11:51:17 PM
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It's just a parody of 302efi's thread from the other day, calm down guys...


Yep...I would agree

665 to 664 is a pretty good match IMO....until you add in the 300 pins of handicap !
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: David Lee Yskes on October 19, 2008, 12:07:17 AM
http://coolluvr4u1976.bowlspace.com/blog/media/video/index.one?a=view_video&vid_id=520498

here's a classic example of me making a adjustment, does it mean i have alot of room ?????  would you cry if i made an adjustment instead of playing the same burned out line?
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: whin-o on October 22, 2008, 10:18:48 PM
The old saying"I'd rather be lucky than good "fits.
You were good,he was lucky.
Next time it may be your turn.
What if you nose strike or pull strike and he pockets 7-10?
The Bowling Gods give you what they want you to have.
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: JD74 on October 22, 2008, 10:27:54 PM
Your serious about the guy missing his target by a half a board? You can tell from back at the score monitors when someone misses there target by a half and are paying attention to his each and every inch of his shot that much? No wonder why you lost, pay attention to your own game more, if you never missed your target you should not have only shot 665 thats horrible for hitting every spot for 30 frames.
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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: TripFour on October 23, 2008, 10:35:36 AM
Stop whining and throw more strikes.  There's no defense in bowling.
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: Phoneman on October 23, 2008, 10:45:43 AM
If you hit your target everytime I would say learn to shoot spares...664 and never missing is a sign of poor spare shooting to me.  If I never missed(which never happens)I would plan on shooting 750 every time I bowl.
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: on October 23, 2008, 11:28:11 AM
Losing is like winning. Neither one lasts forever. If you're throwing the ball well, chances are you'll get your share of wins over a period of time.


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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: abrown on October 23, 2008, 11:35:21 AM
pins fall pins don't fall i've beat the hell out the pocket and barely muster a 600 then other times i've thrown it like crap and shot 750. If ya feel like you outbowled him maybe ya did but you didn't outscore him you can say ohhh he got lucky but i bet you've got away with the same thing he did that night just on a different night that you won on thats bowling. And as far as fair goes umm what is?  ya got beat take a deep breath say good job and go on have a shot or two of whisky and laugh it off
Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: 9andaWiggle on October 23, 2008, 01:35:27 PM
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It's just a parody of 302efi's thread from the other day, calm down guys...


Yep...I would agree

665 to 664 is a pretty good match IMO....until you add in the 300 pins of handicap !
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That's right!  See, if Wally300 had sandbag manage his average a little better, he'd have more than enough cap to have won the match!

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Title: Re: A guy shoots 665 and beats me
Post by: janderson on October 23, 2008, 02:33:20 PM
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