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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: trash heap on October 22, 2015, 11:36:56 AM
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Usually those that show emotion also will get labeled by others as trying to intimidate or taunt their competition. I am sure there is some truth to that.
Example: I have been to high school bowling events, there are teams that don't shut up until the match is over. Constantly encouraging and going nuts when ever someone strikes or picks up a spare on their team in the match. You will hear parents on opposing teams (that do not do those things), stating how disrespectful it is and should not be allowed.
Is there a line? Can a team/person go overboard with this and be considered poor sportsmanship?
I think showing emotion at an event is a good thing. I am not sure what the line should be. I seen plenty of teams get really loud, especially with parents adding to the noise. Maybe because I have seen it enough times, it doesn't bother me.
Being to enough of these things, I know one thing: Loud and excitement doesn't always equal to winning or in the lead.
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"Is there a line? Can a team/person go overboard with this and be considered poor sportsmanship?"
Sure you can go overboard, But in a way there's no one answer. It would depend on the situation what the line maybe.
One thing though your example references parents at their children's sporting event.
Parents can lose all sense in that situation, just look at them in little league. Parents can take the littlest thing and blow it out of proportion.
While the kids don't think anything of it.
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Parents can lose all sense in that situation, just look at them in little league. Parents can take the littlest thing and blow it out of proportion.
While the kids don't think anything of it.
So true.
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I think there is a line between enthusiasm and simply being rude. For example, when someone is 60+ pins ahead of their opponent, and is running out shots/screaming/fist pumping, etc. that is just a bit much. That is the point where such behavior is just belittling the opponent and rubbing salt in the wound. The goal is always to win, but to do so with class and a little compassion for the other guy. After all, everyone has been on the receiving end of a bowling beat down and knows what it feels like.
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when someone is 60+ pins ahead of their opponent, and is running out shots/screaming/fist pumping, etc. that is just a bit much.
PDW? There are those who like him and then there are those that hate him (Referring to his celebrations)
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When I was bowling in college, we had a long discussion on the College Bowling website about a tournament where the local fans (parents and friends of a particular school) showed up with thunder sticks and would bang them incessantly for every spare or strike. On the outside, that doesn't sound bad if done during a one-on-one scenario. But this was during all stages including qualifying. The only time they didn't bang the sticks was when their own bowler was on the approach.
This led to a lengthy discussion where parents were questioning when they were allowed to cheer their kids. I am all for cheering your kids. But to be that disrespectful for the other contestants who are trying to compete is unnecessary.
And don't get me started on the somewhat fake enthusiasm of the women's competitions......
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When I was bowling in college, we had a long discussion on the College Bowling website about a tournament where the local fans (parents and friends of a particular school) showed up with thunder sticks and would bang them incessantly for every spare or strike. On the outside, that doesn't sound bad if done during a one-on-one scenario. But this was during all stages including qualifying. The only time they didn't bang the sticks was when their own bowler was on the approach.
This led to a lengthy discussion where parents were questioning when they were allowed to cheer their kids. I am all for cheering your kids. But to be that disrespectful for the other contestants who are trying to compete is unnecessary.
And don't get me started on the somewhat fake enthusiasm of the women's competitions......
If i was on the approach and they made noise, I'd support it and asked them to beat LOUDER! lol
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when someone is 60+ pins ahead of their opponent, and is running out shots/screaming/fist pumping, etc. that is just a bit much.
PDW? There are those who like him and then there are those that hate him (Referring to his celebrations)
Not any person specifically. Just in general. There is a time and a place for on-lane theatrics, but not necessarily when you have 200 in the 8th frame and your opponent has a 140 in the 8th. At that point you have already won, so finish out the match with a smile, shake your opponents hand and move on.
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There isn't really a clear-cut right and wrong here. People need to show enough situational intelligence to know what is and is not appropriate under different circumstances. Sadly, there are people who lack intelligence in all forms and facets, not just situational intelligence. Because of that, you can frequently see people acting the fool in these situations.
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And don't get me started on the somewhat fake enthusiasm of the women's competitions......
Fake enthusiasm?
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I for one never let it get under my skin (but I do keep an mental note) I feel like I should have done better then it would have come to that.
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Which line are you talking about...The Pete Weber line or the line that the rest if us use?
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This topic reminds me of the movie Happy Gilmore.
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And don't get me started on the somewhat fake enthusiasm of the women's competitions......
Fake enthusiasm?
If you have ever been to a women's collegiate event, you might understand. It gets a little out of hand at times. There are chants, special handshakes and unique high fiving methods.
Don't get me wrong, I like the concept, but the execution of the concept can be off. Watch some of the girls just go through the motions. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but to me it can be fake or obnoxious.
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And don't get me started on the somewhat fake enthusiasm of the women's competitions......
Fake enthusiasm?
If you have ever been to a women's collegiate event, you might understand. It gets a little out of hand at times. There are chants, special handshakes and unique high fiving methods.
Don't get me wrong, I like the concept, but the execution of the concept can be off. Watch some of the girls just go through the motions. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but to me it can be fake or obnoxious.
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Those collegiate women high five so hard they would knock someone out if they miss. Sometimes their exuberance rivals NFL touchdown celebrations!
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I recently started watch as much bowling as I can find, on TV, and I can't understand why everyone claps when someone leaves a split, or an open frame. It almost sounds like they are cheering for the opponent, although I doubt that.
I used to watch bowling years ago and I don't remember anything like this.
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There isn't really a clear-cut right and wrong here. People need to show enough situational intelligence to know what is and is not appropriate under different circumstances. Sadly, there are people who lack intelligence in all forms and facets, not just situational intelligence. Because of that, you can frequently see people acting the fool in these situations. People need to show enough situational intelligence to know what is and is not appropriate under different circumstances. Sadly, there are people who lack intelligence in all forms and facets, not just situational intelligence. Because of that, you can frequently see people acting the fool in these situations.
I've got my head buried in my phone listening to music and looking at instagram...I've got no time for looking at my opponent's score or to worry about what they're doing. I'm going to slap out every shot I throw because I'm just "doing me" bro, haters gonna hate... [/sarcasm]
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There is certainly more and more of the heads buried in phones these days. I have to watch out for that myself since I track my stats on my phone. Still, I make it a point to enter in that frame's data and then put the phone down. Part of the fun of bowling is being around the other bowlers. That goes away if you're on the phone the whole time.
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You're doing something bowling related when you are on the phone so you get a pass. And you get that pass because I do the same thing!
I have a teammate who left our team to bowl with the buddies he grew up with. He said it was the worst thing he did because he'd have teammates either disinterested and on their phones and not paying attention or complaining about something (losing or lane conditions). He was more than psyched when we welcomed him back with open arms....
As for the original intent in this thread, there is a time and place for turning it to 11 in the "enthusiasm" department. The object should be to keep it classy. Obviously, it doesn't always happen in real life, but that's the ideal we should strive for.
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When I was much younger (like 20 years ago), when in match play, I would slap off every strike no matter what. If I got in your head because of it, bonus for me. I remember in one final, my opponent who "never" showed emotion decided to mimic me and started slapping off every strike and saying a loud "yeah" after every one as well after a buddy of his suggested it.
And it worked. He totally got in my head just as I used it to get in my opponents head usually.
I think in today's world, I don't care what my opponents do. I no longer do. The only thing that bothers me is something unexpected. A flash from a camera for example. The only noise that might startle me, is a gun shot. Screaming kids, babies, they happen so often during league play, I am used to hearing those. Most of the time I try to get so locked in on the approach I have had people shout my name and I don't hear them trying to get my attention that I am missing a pin or something.
I even had the case where several years ago I had the chance to win a little over $6800 in the house strike pot. No one had won it in over a year. 56 lane house full of league bowlers. Whole house stops, dead quiet and in the middle of my 4th step, 2 aholes, yell at the top of their lungs "Miss F_ck Wad". High flush for the cash.
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I bowl in an 8 team 5 man league that is full of drunk guys yelling. And on another night, we have a group of people that always yells at eachother trying to make eachother screw up because we are such good friends. Because of this, I hear nothing when I am on the approach most nights. When I do hear something, it goes in one ear and out the other without me taking notice of it. In our group, we show a lot of emotion while we bowl. When we try to screw eachother up, we don't even consider it poor sportsmanship. It is just how we are. We are there to have fun above all else. Funny thing is my team and I try to screw up eachother more than anything. We generally have $1 a piece in bowling poker and $1 a piece in a series pot. And we all want our dollars back, damn it!