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nd300

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A question to all bowlers---Part II
« on: March 01, 2010, 11:03:01 AM »
Ok---I got several responses. So here is what he did.....
 He was caught altering his bowling scores to improve them.
After talking with him after this happened,he was despondent to the point of talking about not caring about anything again--that he was worthless---not worth knowing or being around. He felt useless as a parent. Several of us did keep him from doing anything dumb,and got a priest we all know to talk to him.
 So far,things are getting better for him,but he's not out of the woods yet. He's told me he has no desire to ever bowl again....

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Re: A question to all bowlers---Part II
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2010, 01:23:42 PM »
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I am actually thinking that changing the scores was his cry for help.

And thank goodness it worked.




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Re: A question to all bowlers---Part II
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2010, 01:34:20 PM »
I'd smack him in the back of the head, tell he is no longer allowed near the score sheets and move on.  I would then encourage him to get counseling because it sounds like he is dealing (and not the right way) with some serious issues.
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Re: A question to all bowlers---Part II
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 04:01:57 PM »
And what if he won several brackets by altering his score?

Is this so innocent now?
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Re: A question to all bowlers---Part II
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 04:48:24 PM »
Joe,

I am with you on this one, I am not sure how you would fudge the scores in our bowling center as they are all on the computer and both team captains sign off on the sheet at the end of the night.  Unless you are in a center that does not have the automatic scoring system and you are keeping track of score manually.

To the subject your friend definitely needs help, would have no problem forgiving someone in the situation your friend is.

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Re: A question to all bowlers---Part II
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2010, 06:07:14 PM »
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And what if he won several brackets by altering his score?

Is this so innocent now?


That's thing.... Joe asked & so did someone else... "how did he change scores", was it at the end of the night just for his avg...?  To win games?  Or Was it to win money?  I'm sure the guys who lost money, if that was the case, wouldn't be very forgiving... but until nd answers, we just don't know.  But I'm with ya..
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Re: A question to all bowlers---Part II
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2010, 11:19:00 PM »
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And what if he won several brackets by altering his score?

Is this so innocent now?


I don't think anyone said he was innocent.  But more in the grand scheme of things, is changing bowling scores that bad?  Think of all the possibilities (Adultery, drugs, suicide, etc).  

If he won money, how much could he have won?  Of course it's wrong, but a friends mental and physical well being is more important than a few hundred, or even a few thousand dollars.  So even in your scenario, you make sure he doesn't do it again, you forgive him, and you try to get him some help.
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Re: A question to all bowlers---Part II
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2010, 08:05:51 AM »
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And what if he won several brackets by altering his score?

Is this so innocent now?


I don't think anyone said he was innocent.  But more in the grand scheme of things, is changing bowling scores that bad?  Think of all the possibilities (Adultery, drugs, suicide, etc).  

If he won money, how much could he have won?  Of course it's wrong, but a friends mental and physical well being is more important than a few hundred, or even a few thousand dollars.  So even in your scenario, you make sure he doesn't do it again, you forgive him, and you try to get him some help.
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Well, a league I used to be in the bracket pots were generally in the $800 range.

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Re: A question to all bowlers---Part II
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2010, 09:06:29 AM »
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Well, a league I used to be in the bracket pots were generally in the $800 range.

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Ok, so he cheats for 4 weeks, wins EVERY bracket, comes away with about $3,000 before he''s caught.

Or, he could have not cheated, started using drugs and OD''d.  Or, gotten drunk, gotten in his car and plowed into a family of 4 killing them.  

So considering all the bad things that could have happened, is cheating and winning a couple hundred or a couple thousand dollars really that big of a deal?  I''m not saying cheating is ok, regardless of the dollar amount won, I''m  saying that with what this guy is going through and all the other routes that people in similar situations have taken, it''s not something to crucify the guy over.






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Re: A question to all bowlers---Part II
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2010, 10:45:18 AM »
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Well, a league I used to be in the bracket pots were generally in the $800 range.

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Ok, so he cheats for 4 weeks, wins EVERY bracket, comes away with about $3,000 before he''s caught.

Or, he could have not cheated, started using drugs and OD''d.  Or, gotten drunk, gotten in his car and plowed into a family of 4 killing them.  

So considering all the bad things that could have happened, is cheating and winning a couple hundred or a couple thousand dollars really that big of a deal?  I''m not saying cheating is ok, regardless of the dollar amount won, I''m  saying that with what this guy is going through and all the other routes that people in similar situations have taken, it''s not something to crucify the guy over.






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I'm just saying, the more money involved, the harsher the criticism will be.  Let's look at it this way - say he made off with a couple grand in brackets.  Where I grew up bowling, small town, small bowling alley, someone ran off with somewhere around $1500 of prize money one year.  They were nearly run out of town, and had their ABC card revoked indefinitely until they paid it back (they never did).  Here this guy is, in a much larger league to get that kind of pot money, but I bet he won't be welcomed back any time soon.

However, as a close friend, figuring I was only out $10 personally, I'd let it slide.  But everyone else in the league probably won't - assuming this amount of money is involved and not just a win or loss of a few league games.

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