Post by: nd300 on March 01, 2010, 11:03:01 AM
He was caught altering his bowling scores to improve them.
After talking with him after this happened,he was despondent to the point of talking about not caring about anything again--that he was worthless---not worth knowing or being around. He felt useless as a parent. Several of us did keep him from doing anything dumb,and got a priest we all know to talk to him.
So far,things are getting better for him,but he's not out of the woods yet. He's told me he has no desire to ever bowl again....
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Post by: six pack on March 01, 2010, 07:20:30 PM
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Post by: qstick777 on March 01, 2010, 07:31:14 PM
So his answer to all of this was to alter his scores to make them better?
How does one go about doing that and not getting caught?
And how does artificially increasing your bowling average make everything "better"?
Accidents, parents trying to commit suicide, financial trouble and possible identity theft - last thing I care about is my bowling average!
Post by: tarheel_bk on March 01, 2010, 10:17:38 PM
I hope everything works out for your friend, no one is perfect no matter how much we all think that we can try to be.
Post by: kidlost2000 on March 01, 2010, 10:28:43 PM
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Post by: RealBowler on March 02, 2010, 06:18:17 AM
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he was despondent to the point of talking about not caring about anything again--that he was worthless---not worth knowing or being around. He felt useless as a parent.
"altering his bowling scores to improve them" will definitely make all those things better!
I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but that's just stupid. I hope you got him some good counseling.
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Post by: Phoneman on March 02, 2010, 06:22:19 AM
Post by: JOE FALCO on March 02, 2010, 07:45:39 AM
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He was caught altering his bowling scores to improve them
Chris, would you please try to explain this .. what did he do and how did he get caught? I'm having trouble imagining this incident!
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on March 02, 2010, 07:58:23 AM
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He was caught altering his bowling scores to improve them.
Is your friend's initials "RM"? If so, you should kick is *** twice, maybe tree times, chop off his thumb, middle, and ring finger on his bowling hand, and see if you can't get him deported from the country. That's the only right thing to do here.
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Post by: Monster Pike on March 02, 2010, 08:16:01 AM
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He was caught altering his bowling scores to improve them.
Is your friend's initials "RM"? If so, you should kick is *** twice, maybe tree times, chop off his thumb, middle, and ring finger on his bowling hand, and see if you can't get him deported from the country. That's the only right thing to do here.
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LoL! Once I saw this I knew someone would go there....
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on March 02, 2010, 08:19:01 AM
Seriously though, this dude has some issues that are much worse than manipulating bowling scores. Hopefully your intervention will get him the help he needs.
As to forgiving him, sure. He's messed up in the head, so I'd give him a pass on something that's this minimal in the big picture. I'd keep an eye on him when I was bowling with him though, but as long as he doesn't try to keep doing it I'd let it go.
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Post by: Monster Pike on March 02, 2010, 08:21:22 AM
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Post by: trash heap on March 02, 2010, 08:27:00 AM
And thank goodness it worked.
Post by: JOE FALCO on March 02, 2010, 08:29:39 AM
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Post by: six pack on March 02, 2010, 11:45:59 AM
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I am actually thinking that changing the scores was his cry for help.
And thank goodness it worked.
Yeah,good point! Better this then something serious...
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Post by: J_w73 on March 02, 2010, 01:23:42 PM
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I am actually thinking that changing the scores was his cry for help.
And thank goodness it worked.
You are probably correct..
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Post by: DanH78 on March 02, 2010, 01:34:20 PM
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Post by: Pinbuster on March 02, 2010, 04:01:57 PM
Is this so innocent now?
Post by: rvmark on March 02, 2010, 04:48:24 PM
I am with you on this one, I am not sure how you would fudge the scores in our bowling center as they are all on the computer and both team captains sign off on the sheet at the end of the night. Unless you are in a center that does not have the automatic scoring system and you are keeping track of score manually.
To the subject your friend definitely needs help, would have no problem forgiving someone in the situation your friend is.
Mark
Post by: Monster Pike on March 02, 2010, 06:07:14 PM
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And what if he won several brackets by altering his score?
Is this so innocent now?
That's thing.... Joe asked & so did someone else... "how did he change scores", was it at the end of the night just for his avg...? To win games? Or Was it to win money? I'm sure the guys who lost money, if that was the case, wouldn't be very forgiving... but until nd answers, we just don't know. But I'm with ya..
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Post by: DanH78 on March 02, 2010, 11:19:00 PM
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And what if he won several brackets by altering his score?
Is this so innocent now?
I don't think anyone said he was innocent. But more in the grand scheme of things, is changing bowling scores that bad? Think of all the possibilities (Adultery, drugs, suicide, etc).
If he won money, how much could he have won? Of course it's wrong, but a friends mental and physical well being is more important than a few hundred, or even a few thousand dollars. So even in your scenario, you make sure he doesn't do it again, you forgive him, and you try to get him some help.
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on March 03, 2010, 08:05:51 AM
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And what if he won several brackets by altering his score?
Is this so innocent now?
I don't think anyone said he was innocent. But more in the grand scheme of things, is changing bowling scores that bad? Think of all the possibilities (Adultery, drugs, suicide, etc).
If he won money, how much could he have won? Of course it's wrong, but a friends mental and physical well being is more important than a few hundred, or even a few thousand dollars. So even in your scenario, you make sure he doesn't do it again, you forgive him, and you try to get him some help.
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Well, a league I used to be in the bracket pots were generally in the $800 range.
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Post by: DanH78 on March 03, 2010, 09:06:29 AM
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Well, a league I used to be in the bracket pots were generally in the $800 range.
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Ok, so he cheats for 4 weeks, wins EVERY bracket, comes away with about $3,000 before he''s caught.
Or, he could have not cheated, started using drugs and OD''d. Or, gotten drunk, gotten in his car and plowed into a family of 4 killing them.
So considering all the bad things that could have happened, is cheating and winning a couple hundred or a couple thousand dollars really that big of a deal? I''m not saying cheating is ok, regardless of the dollar amount won, I''m saying that with what this guy is going through and all the other routes that people in similar situations have taken, it''s not something to crucify the guy over.
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on March 03, 2010, 10:45:18 AM
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Well, a league I used to be in the bracket pots were generally in the $800 range.
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Ok, so he cheats for 4 weeks, wins EVERY bracket, comes away with about $3,000 before he''s caught.
Or, he could have not cheated, started using drugs and OD''d. Or, gotten drunk, gotten in his car and plowed into a family of 4 killing them.
So considering all the bad things that could have happened, is cheating and winning a couple hundred or a couple thousand dollars really that big of a deal? I''m not saying cheating is ok, regardless of the dollar amount won, I''m saying that with what this guy is going through and all the other routes that people in similar situations have taken, it''s not something to crucify the guy over.
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Edited on 3/3/2010 10:06 AM
I'm just saying, the more money involved, the harsher the criticism will be. Let's look at it this way - say he made off with a couple grand in brackets. Where I grew up bowling, small town, small bowling alley, someone ran off with somewhere around $1500 of prize money one year. They were nearly run out of town, and had their ABC card revoked indefinitely until they paid it back (they never did). Here this guy is, in a much larger league to get that kind of pot money, but I bet he won't be welcomed back any time soon.
However, as a close friend, figuring I was only out $10 personally, I'd let it slide. But everyone else in the league probably won't - assuming this amount of money is involved and not just a win or loss of a few league games.
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