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mumzie

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A question/comment about particle equipment
« on: June 26, 2003, 03:09:46 AM »
Well, this is hearsay, but I thought I'd throw it out here and see how many comments it gets...

An old friend of mine told me that the ABC/WIBC is considering banning particle equipment, and that this might happen as soon as a year or so from now. This friend is on the certification committee for the stadium, and I guess this subject comes up for discussion every now and then.

Anyway - the rationale is that the microscopic particles are, over time, too abrasive on the lanes. On one hand, it makes sense. On the other - you've got to be kidding...

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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2003, 06:29:38 PM »
I wonder how the ABC will deal with all of the anger of bowlers that have basically nothing BUT particle equipment (myself included). Granted, there are other balls stored up in my shed, they're there for a reason. lol! Aside from that issue, the other side of that coin is that bowling centers are using more and more oil, not to mention thicker oil, to combat the problems that tend to arise with the use of particle equipment. The only real trouble that I would see would be with the back ends of the lane getting a little more wear on them because of particles clawing in, but even then, oil has been longer since the introduction of resin/particle equipment, so any wear done on the back ends should only amount to, at the most, the last 30 feet of the lane. To be honest, I really don't see this being ABC/WIBC's call to make..

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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2003, 06:36:02 PM »
Ball companies....this is bad.... we have so much invested in particle technology and now the ABC wants to ban us.

Ball companies....this is good... A whole new market opening up for us to exploit with the new line of RevFreakZoneIcon reactive technology.  

Seriously I hope they can give us a little warning so we don't wind up purchasing something that is suddenly illegal.

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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2003, 07:07:05 PM »
This issue was brought up down at Kegel Training Center out in Florida. As you know this is an extremely small center, and previously it was a bowling center for a short time before it being a completely private training facility.

The lanes there are approximately 10 years old, and compared to a mainstream bowling facility- like Showboat or Orleans in Las Vegas, they have a lot less lineage.

Lane #1 is the testing lane out at Kegel Training Center out in Sebring. It is probably the cleanest lane in the world- as well at the same time the least bowled on lane out of the 16 lanes that are in the center. With the minimal amount of lineage on that lane, when stripped, there are just tons and tons of scratches on the lanes due to damage by our extremely abrasive bowling balls. And these kinds of scratches on the heads, especially, I was told were not that bad.

Imagine that on a lane that gets about 20-30 games of lineage every DAY!

My opinion is that I feel that ball tech will continue to go on, and lane advancements will go on. My opinion is that ProAnvilane by Brunswick is the best lane out there, but something better than that has yet to come to save the Proprietors some slack from the damage we make.

It's the risk that the bowling center owners take when opening a center- is the normal wear and tear made by the customers.

Oh well, just something i had to say about the subject.
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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2003, 07:19:52 PM »
I say, ban the suckers.  Now.  They are affronts to God and man.  I'll just use aggressive and dull reactives.  And the particles do destroy lanes.
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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2003, 09:04:00 PM »
Would there be such a discussion of evil particle balls wearing the lanes if the ABC did not allow china patterns that force all of the play into one area of the lane?
   Long ago in an alley far far away the lane was wood the finish was lacquer and the balls were hard rubber and there was worn area of the lane from to much play in a small area.
   I wonder if there is a center that still sprays the lanes and doesn't have a wall to direct the play. Would such a center show less wear due to play being spread over the lane?
   I also wonder. 320grit= snow tires  1200grit= racing slicks what causes more damage to the lane ? I can see the 320 trying to dig into the lane early and spend its energy in the oil. But the 1200 saves its energy until it is off the oil the uses it all on an unprotected surface.
  Makes me no difference if particles are banned or if surfaces are limited in some fashion. I will still be playing.

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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2003, 09:24:26 PM »
Well I heard 25 years ago there were going to make 15lb the maximum weight, whatever happened to that idea.

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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2003, 09:29:18 PM »


It'd be hard for ABC/WIBC to enforce and police.

Particle are known oil soakers and removes oil as it goes, but crankers with high revs and lofters do just as much damage. Not counting those with 220/320 grit sanded balls.


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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2003, 09:43:40 PM »
If they are going to ban the use of particle bowling balls, they need to give everyone plenty of time to know about it before it happens.  If they are going to ban it in a year, they should tell us now.  I am only 15 and I don't get the chance to buy a ton of bowling balls.  I don't really want my bowling ball that I just bought last winter for $200+ to be worth absolutely nothing because I can't use it.  I just say put some more oil down.  I know some people complain they can't hook a ball in a lot of oil.  Well, too bad.  Learn to move and throw with more revs.  Instead, I think the ABC should limit to what grit your ball can be sanded.

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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2003, 10:30:31 PM »
IMHO i think it would be yet another shock to the system & things would get rough for everyone other than the biggest crankers on the PWBA tour.

Look at what the ladies are throwing. CDB, Liz johnson, Wendy Mac, all of them are throwing particles almost exclusively on the show. Even some of the higher rev players are throwing them.

Myself.. I'll probably just kill one of my urethanes back down to 100 grit again

10 In The Pit

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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2003, 12:41:55 AM »
I know that this topic has come under scrutiny with the ABC in the past, and it was finally decided that the particle balls weren't necessarily causing any more damage to the houses that other equipment were responsible for.  In fact, the most abrasive ball to EVER hit the lanes was the Blue Hammer urethane ball!

Since the particle balls give those urethane lovers a needed edge over the reactive resin balls, I'd have to say that if the ABC bans particle balls, they should also ban reactive resin balls as well, in order to level the playing field.  Banning only the particle balls will again give an unfair advantage to a portion of the bowlers, where the current reactive and particle choices give virtually all bowlers a level field.  If you recall, when the reactive resin balls hit the market, only PART of the Pros could compete with the given choices of equipment.....when the particles were introduced, then the urethane ball Pros had a chance to compete head to head with the reactive lovers.

I think that banning the particle balls would be a huge blow to the bowling public, especially considering how many particle balls have been sold and how some bowlers have come to rely on them.  The newest reactive resin ball that I own was made back in 1995, and I hardly ever even carry it with me.  However, I probably have 10 particle balls in my arsenal, with several of them being freshly drilled and only test fired a few times on the lanes.....if I find a model that I really like, I'll grab up a couple of spares before they go out of production and stash them back for future use.

I'm afraid that I'd have to scream loudly if the ABC decides to ban particle balls.  And, I'd also scream for a ban on reactives at the same time.  Then the houses could get rid of the ridiculous amounts of oil that they've been putting out on the lanes, at least in my area.

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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2003, 12:58:04 AM »
I can't throw particle or even highly reactive resin stuff.  My Viper is too much to handle at times, and I've even been backing off on the revs.  Go back to urethane and plastic, or even just plastic.  Wouldn't hurt my feelings any.  Lol, it does kinda make your heart jump when you see a ball glide down the lane and make an abrupt left turn at the breakpoint, makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.
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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2003, 01:01:59 AM »
Also, this topic brings up another thought to mind.  Whenever you take an object such as a heavy bowling ball, spin the object, then roll it across a surface while spinning, there is an extremely small contact patch where the object is actually touching the surface, or lane in this case.  It goes without saying that some wear is expected in this case, whether the surface of the lane be wood or synthetic.  This wear is inevitable, and will eventually have to be addressed regardless of whether the surface is polyurethane coated wood or if it is a plastic material.

In wood houses, you already have routine resurfacing which needs to be done every 2 years or so.  So, my guess is that the screaming is about synthetic lanes.  I see no reason NOT to expect wear on synthetic lanes too, since they too are subject to the properties of friction, whether the ball be plastic, urethane, reactive resin, or particle composition.  So, it seems to me that the likely fix in this situation would be to come up with a way to resurface the synthetic surfaces, somewhat similar to how wood lanes are already resurfaced.  Of course, in the case of resurfacing synthetic lanes, the primary function of resurfacing would be to sand and repolish the synthetic surface.  If the designers of synthetic lanes expected them to last indefinitely without some type of repolishing, then they were just barking up a tree and not looking ahead at all.

In this case, it is up to the designers of the synthetic lane surfaces to come up with a method of repolishing the lane surfaces, so that they can be periodically smoothed down to like new condition.  Hello, is there anybody home in the engineering departments of the lane manufacturers?....and if so, did you overlook the basic properties of FRICTION?

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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2003, 01:13:12 AM »
I'm sensing a possible chicken & egg issue here.

Has anybody though that the reason lanes are wearing quicker now is because we are using more oil? Thus people are using more surface on the balls?

10inthepit, you nailed my #1 concern with getting rid of particles. I'm a urethane lover & I was lost until particles came out.

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Re: A question/comment about particle equipment
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2003, 01:30:17 AM »
I think that the idea of banning particle balls or any other is ridiculous. That would be like Major League baseball removing the seams from a baseball, same affect anyway only power players would be able to be dominate.
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