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MrNattyBoh

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A revelation on the game......
« on: July 24, 2013, 08:59:13 AM »
I have been bowling now for about 14 years. I have used the latest and greatest equipment. I have also rolled used equipment. In my 14 years I have learned a lot about the game. I have been taking lessons regularly for the last year and a half, by far the greatest investment I have ever made in bowling. I have now come to the conclusion that I will no longer be buying into the latest and greatest equipment. The equipment is only part of the equation. The balls that are coming out now are no different than those that came out 10-15 years ago maybe even longer. The ball companies are giving us bowlers nothing more than a marketing gimmick in which we believe that we need to roll the latest and greatest in order to score. I am tired of staff members giving reviews saying that they have never seen a ball react like this or like that. I am actually sick of reading reviews altogether because they are no different than what they have been. I haven't seen anything different that makes me want to give up my hyroad or any other ball that I currently use. here isn't one piece of equipment out there that gets me excited to go purchase a new ball tonight! Each of my balls has at least 150 games on them and I have seen no decline in reaction or carry. It is all about the bowler and how he/she makes adjustments. If some bowlers would invest the money they use on new equipment and put that towards some personal lessons, I think we could change this game around for the better. I've done my part over the last two years to get my game turned around to a point where I no longer believe that the latest and greatest equipment is what will make me score and carry better, but its my personal game and my ability to adjust to the lanes that makes me score better. my physical game has changed and is a work in progress, and will always be a work in progress, now its time for me to improve on the mental part of the game.

 

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2013, 09:45:20 AM »
Natty, I am with you. I had planned to buy a couple of balls this summer and work out with them for the fall leagues. I am a league bowler, so I probably do not need the type of arsenal that tournament players require.

Before I bought new equipment, I wanted to try a Columbia Freeze which I purchased
in 2009 and which I had rarely used. I was shocked at what a good fit the Freeze is for me---generally nice length with a smooth continuous arc. Even the Freeze is a combination of other Columbia balls---a modified Messenger core with a Momentum New Era coverstock. On most house patterns, you probably can throw the Freeze all night with the usual adjustments.

So I saved some $$$, and I still have a ball that works for me.
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Gizmo823

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2013, 10:36:56 AM »
This is a "big secret" too.  Lower end balls now are generally old high end balls that were tweaked a little to be weaker, but they work really well on house patterns.  My Yellow Misfit owns house patterns, one of the cheapest reactives on the market. 
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MrNattyBoh

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2013, 10:48:05 AM »
This is what I am talking about! The ball companies have a strangle hold on the majority of bowlers and have them believing that they need the newest most expensive equipment in order to score well. THIS IS NOT THE CASE!!!! We as bowlers need to come together and knock these guys back to reality! How? I don't know......but there has to be something we can do........One release per year would be plenty, this would knock down there production costs, R & D costs and in turn could lower the price of new equipment. Why do these guys need R & D time/money when nothing new has been introduced to the game in in 20 years? We have the same covers and cores today as we have had in the past. Since the game itself has been slowing down the last few decades why don't the ball companies themselves slow down along with them......like I said, this would save them all money.

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2013, 10:48:52 AM »
There hasn't really been a true revolutionary breakthrough in ball technology since the introduction of resin enhanced urethane in 1991.  In addition, the overall core shell matchups, particularly on high end balls, has become so aggressive that those balls are too condition specific to a great degree.  That is why the mid price balls have become so popular.  Tamer cores employed on mid and lower priced equipment matches up better on most conditions than the total hook monsters being brought out on the high end. 

I will make one caveat.  Shells eventually get to the point that they will not handle heavier longer tournament patterns even if the ball is meticulously cared for.

Also, you cant really blame the ball companies.  Everyone markets new products as the latest and greatest.  It is up to consumers to discern the true value of the product.  In the case of bowling balls, I never buy a ball based on hype by the manufacturer.  I have bought a lot of balls based on getting beat multiple times by guys throwing a certain ball against me.   
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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2013, 10:57:35 AM »
no breakthroughs? no new balls? nothing new in the last 10-15 years?...i've got my popcorn and drinks ready for this debate to get started...

MrNattyBoh

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2013, 11:02:53 AM »

I have bought a lot of balls based on getting beat multiple times by guys throwing a certain ball against me.

avabob, you ever think that it wasn't the ball that beat you, rather someone actually did out bowl you or maybe you just didn't perform that well? Nothing against you just the statement you made. You see, that's the mentality of todays bowlers. You need a certain ball to beat someone. Put some extra practice time in or hire a coach to better improve your game instead of putting that 200 bucks for a new ball, spend 50 bucks for an hour session with a coach!

Gizmo823

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2013, 11:27:07 AM »
no breakthroughs? no new balls? nothing new in the last 10-15 years?...i've got my popcorn and drinks ready for this debate to get started...


Not enough to make any real difference.  Things have been done DIFFERENTLY, but I don't know if they're necessarily better.  They have been able to make them hook more, but I don't know if that means they're actually better.  Give me a NIB X-Factor from 12 years ago and I guarantee I'll do just as good with that as anything new now.  It's basically a Marvel Pearl anyway.  Youtube it. 
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avabob

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2013, 12:30:21 PM »
Fortunately I have been around long enough to differentiate between equipment and skill.  Not like every time some guy beats me ( which is more often than I like ) I go get the ball he used.  However I have bought at least 10 balls over the last 20 years because of watching their performance in the hands of an opponent whose game I know well.  I have never bought a ball based on the marketing hype.

I stand by my statement that there has been no revolutionary break through since the resin ball.  If you were around when the X Caliber came out, or the first AMF Angle in 1981, you understand what I am talking about.  There have been lots of balls during the resin area that matched up really well for my game and were clearly better than other balls for me.  Not the same thing as a revolutionary breakthrough.   

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2013, 12:38:11 PM »
The key here is that the maunfacturers are not forcing anyone to buy any of the new equipment they are producing.  They make new balls and yes, a lot are just older balls in a different color or small change to the cover or core, etc., but we are not forced to purchase them.  I would think that the majority of bowlers who buy a new ball are doing so to replace an older one that has run its course, similar to buying a newer vehicle when your current one starts to fall apart or not run as smoothly as it did when new. 

As Avabob states, you really can't blame the companies, they are only trying to make money and need bowlers to buy their equipment to do so, especially since the overall number of bowlers is stagnant or even declining.

MrNattyBoh

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2013, 12:45:50 PM »
I do not fault the companies at all. The problems lye with the bowlers. I know there are a few guys in my home center that do buy into the latest is the greatest bit. Some guys carry 6 balls to leagues with them and are clueless as to how to make adjustments on the lanes. They just pick another ball out of their bags and see what happens. This type of attitude bothers me a bit. Everytime I have a really good game/match the first thing out of these guys mouths are, "Man what ball were you using to throw that?" 

avabob

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2013, 01:50:02 PM »
This has been going on since the 70's.  I have a couple of good friends who were on tour back then.  Even when the ball choices were limited, anytime someone threw a great set in qualifying everyone ran up to see how he had the ball drilled, and would go back and punch one up the same way.

I bowled against Schlegel the year he won the Masters, and got to know him pretty well.  He drilled up at least 6 Track balls that week.  On the other side of the coin one of the finalists on the show threw an old Cuda C all week.  Ball reps were bringing out stuff for him to try in practice as fast as they could drill it up, and he couldn't find anything that worked as good as the Cuda.     

MrNattyBoh

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2013, 01:56:23 PM »
That's interesting.......I had no idea that went on back then. Thanks for the history lesson!

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2013, 03:43:02 PM »
There is some truth to this for sure. In many cases when bowlers are bowling on THS the differences in bowling balls and in layouts ect isn't as noticeable as it is when you get on the tougher conditions. There is a reason companies have reused some of the older coverstocks for so many years and they be as good today in many cases as ever. Everything looks good on a THS.

Around 2005 to 2008 is when I think they maxed out for coverstocks and cores. The changes today are almost a fine tuning of the two. There are some very aggressive bowling balls out today that I think would still out hook many of the older balls even from 05-08 when both are freshly drilled up. The gap is however smaller then years passed.

Bowling ball in most cases for people are a want not a need. Many people do not take proper care of their equipment which is why they see such a drop off in performance.

That is the one of the biggest problems I think today. The bowling balls will hold up every bit as well as any from years past. Many hook monsters require a lot more surface maintenance. Most people give them none.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: A revelation on the game......
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2013, 08:02:11 PM »
If only I was throwing 15lbs when I got my Danger Zone.  I have a 16lb one of those that I can't roll anymore.  All the ball I ever needed, if I had a 15 lb Danger Zone it'd be the only ball I'd need at the lanes.  Never had a Vapor Zone but I bet I would feel the same way about it.  My Nexxxus is the last new high end ball I buy.
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