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charlest

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A rose by any other name ...
« on: November 05, 2003, 07:27:49 AM »
1. Is the Throttle-Up really Phenom Unleashed by another name??

2. Is the Wired one of the strongest pearls ever made or is that the Inferno?

3. Who is righter, T-God or King of the Mill?

4. Why am I asking these questions?


The winner is the person with the best answers, IN MY OPINION. The prize may be a Darkside or a Golden Nugget or _______.

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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2003, 11:28:50 PM »
I'll throw in my opinions on these questions...

1.  Although the numbers may be the same, I think that these balls will give a different look on the lanes.  Both are heavier oil balls, but the phenom unleashed will give a more angular movement, whereas the throttle up should give a more continuous arc.

2.  This is an interesting one.  Looks like the wired needed flip blocks added to increase the rg.  May have some consequences related to roll.  The inferno core looks to be evenly well distributed, hence a bit more solid.  I'd say the inferno would be the stronger ball.  I think the inferno is a better core/cover match, whereas I don't think the core in the wired, necessarily matches the core very well, but that's my opinion.

3.  I think t-god is susceptible to bias, however his knowledge is formidable.  KoTM gives it plain and dry, without emotional bias.  I'd have to go with KoTM on this one.

4.  You're trying to see if there is any bias towards things of a similar nature.  While I have little experience with any of the topics above, I can still give an unbiased opinion.  However, my claims cannot be backed up by facts, and hence are not a very strong argument in either direction.  Since the best will be in your opinion, I find it fitting that I give my opinion on the questions.  I wonder why there is two balls from Columbia in the questions?  Is it an attempt to suck in those who are inclined to favour Columbia products?  It's hard to judge your true intentions by asking these questions, because it seems that while the first two are interrelated in some way, the last two have no relationship to each other nor any other question.
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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2003, 11:51:42 PM »
1-the phrase "Its whats on the inside that counts" comes into affect here. They are different colors, so they have to be different right? Purple is pretty and my favorite color, so the Unleashed has to be a better ball. (my version of the customer that comes in with no info on equipment, and really makes me earn my money)

2-I don't want to show favortism, so can we not all just get along and say that the Wired and Inferno are both among the strongest pearl balls ever made? (me being politically correct)

3-T-God and King of the Mill------aren't they both left wing liberals? (trying to figure out why I am being so political tonight)

4-I have to think that you are asking those questions because there was not much else interesting to read or post about------or you wanted to see what kind of responses could spark your interest. You know, what kind of off of the wall answers you would get. The other possibility is that you couldn't really sleep so you wanted to find something to do with you time while the milk was warming on the stove.




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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2003, 06:41:17 AM »
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1. Is the Throttle-Up really Phenom Unleashed by another name??

....Who cares ?  I thought the TU was a particle pearl ? oh well...see, too many Columbia and Track balls to keep sorted, thus the reason for my answer.  Not a slam to your question....

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2. Is the Wired one of the strongest pearls ever made or is that the Inferno?


Don't know, but a guy was throwing an Inferno at us on Tuesday night, and WOWZA KAZOWIE !!

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3. Who is righter, T-God or King of the Mill?


Oh, that's easy....they don't call him King for nuthin'! (No disrespect to T-GOD either, he's a freak too!)  King's a super genius.  I think I have , at least some sort of understanding of ball tech and drilling.....this guy just makes my eyes spin when he talks to me,..it's nuts. When it comes to knowledge of the game,...I'm like a community college student, and he's a double doctorate graduate from MIT !!!!  Plus, I know King.....super nice guy on top of being a super genius!

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4. Why am I asking these questions?


Why not ? Inquiring minds want to know! A wise one such as yourself can never know too much....right ?!?



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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2003, 07:00:16 AM »
K i don't need to compete for a ball, but i'd like to chim in about these balls, cause i've used the Throttle up and the wired and i wrote reviews for them in a bowling magazine.

The Throttle up is not a Phenom unleashed for a few very important reasons, and this is part of my opinion as well.

The Throttle up's cover is polished out of the box, and it is a solid coverstock, It doesn't handle oil well either, but we dulled out magazine's tester. The Core is good but i still believe in the track core technology more.
Also i have seen more complaints about the Phenom dying or just not being as good as promised. the throttle Original has proven successful for most that threw it. The unleashed which i am getting to just now, is a change in core of the Morpheus rev plate. but the Up is just a cover change. which to me shows lazyiness on columbia's part, and lack of innovatitive though as well.

I believe in the Morpheus technology in core systems but without a better coverstock the ball dying so quickly kills it's interest for many. you put a strong resin pearl cover (Ex: Activator, Brunswick's biggest succes)around a Morpheus 2 core and you have one hell of a truly great ball.


The Wired is not one of the strongest pearls ever i would say. It does have the ability to not over skid past the breakpoint which in post pearls is extremely rare. This is one of columbia's balls that should not be over looked. A very low RG on a pearl ball. that makes for a great skid snap ball for Low rev bowlers. and a strong midlane ball for players with higher rev rates.

So the wired presently is something i would choose over a throttle-up, or phenom.
Also if you take the UFD cover from the Wired and place it in the Morpheus core you have yourself a new Freak out. Just a thought.
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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2003, 02:06:57 PM »
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1. Is the Throttle-Up really Phenom Unleashed by another name??


Close, but not quite.  The cores are different enough to provide different looks.

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2. Is the Wired one of the strongest pearls ever made or is that the Inferno?


You might want to throw the Silver Streak Pearl in there as well.

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3. Who is righter, T-God or King of the Mill?


Neither is "righter".  KOTM is a little more active on the forums, T-GOD doesn't appear much unless it's technical.  Both will go out their way if asked a question.

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4. Why am I asking these questions?


Because you want to be like your big brother Pchee and give something away!    Or maybe it's your Sawbones philosophical "stir the pot" debate.
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charlest

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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2003, 02:24:45 PM »
Very interesting so far.

Bones and a few others, I am curious to see your ... opinion.
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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2003, 02:40:42 PM »
1.  No.  The Covers are different and so are the cores.  Different size particles in the Throttle Up and the Phenom Unleashed.

2.  Neither.  WOW Pearl.  You know better.

3.  Neither.  You or me.

4.  Because you have too much time on your hands.
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charlest

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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2003, 12:39:34 PM »
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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2003, 03:34:57 PM »
1- No
2- Cherry Bomb
3- T-God is awesome, never conversed with King
4- Way too much time on your hands?!

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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2003, 03:47:57 PM »
Throttle up is polished, with larger particles compared to the Fang RF which also has a reduced load of particles for a little more length.  The Phenom Unleased isn't polished like the cover of the Throttle, but it is however smooth.

I doubt it's the strongest, but maybe stronger than the Inferno.

Neither T-GOD or KOTM, they restrict themselves to mainly technical information.  I'd say you are since you are the Sage of ball reivews offering advice at every corner.

You're doing this because you love to watch, listen, and learn...the more you know, the more we know.


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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2003, 04:46:51 PM »
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No.


"No" to what?

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Pearl Schmearl. Define what makes a ball a pearl. If Lane 1 adds .0005% pearlization to the Carbide Super Bomb, would that be the strongest pearl?



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Re: A rose by any other name ...
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2003, 04:54:36 PM »
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Philip Marlowe wrote:
1.  No.  The Covers are different and so are the cores.  Different size particles in the Throttle Up and the Phenom Unleashed.


You know I am not concerned about what a ball's make-up is. I am concerned with what they do and how they act.

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2.  Neither.  WOW Pearl.  You know better.



I know the WOW pearl can handle the most oil. I meant strong in terms of hook and power at the pins.

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3.  Neither.  You or me.


You're sounding more like my wife every day. I give her a choice of 2 options and she says, "yes" or "no".
KOTM or TG have more tricks up their sleeves than you or me combined.


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4.  Because you have too much time on your hands.


Yes, but I'd rather have a job ...
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