Post by: GendouIkari on April 04, 2004, 08:36:29 AM
)... I started a new league on other center and I complained about the broken oil machine that puts a flood on a part of the boards (10 to 15)... I threw 457 WHY??? BECAUSE I MISSED LOTS OF SPARES... So, Why are we (the new bowlers) complaining about so advanced things if we cannot take spares, and even miss easy ones like morons????Really we should all practice our spare game and our adjustments... When we start to carry a 190 avg. THEN we can think of surface, hook and buy more balls... Some kids on the center I play in have 4-5 balls and carry a 140ish average... I have only 3, My Vendetta, My v2 Pearl and my Dragon Ball... And I RARELY use my dragon ball, V2 carries spares very well....
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Post by: MSC2471 on April 05, 2004, 02:46:22 AM
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Post by: tenpinspro on April 05, 2004, 02:51:55 AM
Post by: JohnP on April 05, 2004, 12:05:33 PM
Post by: Moe on April 05, 2004, 12:18:47 PM
FWIW last night i sucked, and left alot of 9 counts that i couldnt convert...
after i had done some serious spare practice on Wed night 
Myself i have 2 balls, ebonite predator if it comes back with oil in the track keep using it, if not then i go to my zone. I make it a point to shoot spares with both of these balls, i think its better practice than plastic.
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Post by: JohnP on April 05, 2004, 12:35:06 PM
Post by: Moe on April 05, 2004, 12:38:30 PM
But realisticly its more of a 150, i just learned how to bowl during this leauge. Im a teams worst nightmare, an unintentional sandbagger.I will admit that most times than not its spares that i miss, or a ball that i just completely throw like crap. But the 10 pin ohhh i cant shoot that thing for nothing half the time, and then there will be like 1 or 2 easy ones that i dont convert. More of a brain fart during my release, the weirdest thing... if theres a 9-10 pin there, i will hit the 10 and not the 9.
The only time i can shoot the 10 is when i dont wanna hit it. :shrug: But that is what practice is for, tonight all you can bowl. WOOT WOOT.
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Post by: pin-chaser on April 05, 2004, 01:32:54 PM
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Post by: Moe on April 05, 2004, 01:48:41 PM
Everyone loves me, our leauge is team average. And we get like up to 100 pins from teams, and everyone knows i can put up 60 over my average if i can find a mark. No one really gets mad, cuz they all know me and seen me during week 1 of the leauge. Post by: mumzie on April 05, 2004, 02:06:35 PM
If you can't make spares, you "don't got game". Period.
Some days, the pocket can't be found with both hands and a roadmap. What do you do then? Shoot 90s?
Several months ago, an open play bowler using a house ball and house shoes shot 300 on a lane right next to the scratch league. I was a few lanes away, doing something this guy has NO prayer of shooting - a clean 196 game.
What's your 10 pin percentage? How many do you leave? How many of those do you pick up? That alone is worth a bundle. Every missed 10 pin spare costs 11 pins - if you miss one a game, that's 11 pins off your average. But I guess they're not important... Hmmmm????
Sorry for the rant - but when the pins don't fall on the first ball, they give you a second shot for a reason. Learn how to use it, and you'll be a real bowler some day.
Post by: Moe on April 05, 2004, 02:33:13 PM
My average does suffer from that, but i bowl for fun. As long as im haveing a good time and my team mates are bowling well then i dont mind it at all.
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Post by: omegabowler on April 05, 2004, 03:00:38 PM
Spare's matter because you can't throw a strike every time. Plain and simple.
you need a good spare shooting system. plastic is the easiest there is. it goes right where you throw it. couple that with a broken wrist or flat release and they only way you can miss a 1 pin spare is really bad timing. real bad.
there is almost no lane/oil factor involved. it doesn’t get any simpler.
P.S. I love the 130 guys who give advice on spare shooting. it's like getting a hair cut from a blind guy!
realistically it's tough to be clean every game with today’s automatic split in the box. but you can easily avg mid 180's without throwing a double. so tell me how anyone can avg less than 180 and say spares don't count.
given the nature of today’s' soft conditions and powerful balls how can any one say spares don't count if they avg less than 210 on a THS. it's so easy to rattle off 4 or 5 in a row. make 90% of your spare and your 210.
with the proper mental attitude and any semblance of athletic ability to walk the same way twice you should avg 180 or better without trying. You may be trying to hard. the run before walk comment is a good one.
develop a simple free swing and good balance at the line at your in the hunt for 200 easy.
how do I know this? I doing it. I missed the birth of these reactive balls and came back with a grip it rip urethane release. I could cover all 40 boards and never see enough oil. Now, I have deconstructed down to the simple. I don't even release the ball. I let it fall into a free swing and let gravity and natural muscle tendencies turn the ball as it wants and just follow though. sure it a weak ball compared to my other release but I make more spares and hit the pocket more. so I avg 200.
even now, if I made 3 more spares a night, which I have room for, I would be 210. all that without any ideal turn or high rev release. Control and accuracy makes it easy. When I can shoot a 210 avg I will then turn my attention to developing 2 more releases for tournament play or go for league high avg.
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Post by: Moe on April 05, 2004, 03:21:04 PM
Last night for my 3 game set i averaged 160, my first game was horrible, couldnt hit spares 137, next game 187, 153. The first game was the one wehre i left alot of 9 counts, couldnt convert an easy 7 pin. and then 2 ten pin's in a row.
My average in week 4 of the leauge was a 95!!!!!
The previous week.. 180ish, 140ish, 196. Average = 172 second game was alot of spares few strikes. Some nights i just cnat get into it, if im the only one marking then i just get fed up and the game goes in the toilet.
Alot of you guys need to realize that an average is not a direct reflection of the type of bowling a person is capable of, its only an average. The same ones who think this are the same who will point the finger and call someone a bagger when they start to shoot 40 pins over their average.
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Post by: bigz on April 05, 2004, 03:29:11 PM
just my 0.02
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Post by: JohnP on April 05, 2004, 04:59:00 PM
"I say fooey to spares, especially those corner pins!"
that tells me something. Now, let's talk about making the ten pin (advice from someone that makes about 60% of them, not very good - I know how, just don't execute very well even though I do practice them).
Get on the right hand lane of a pair (so the ball return will have its affect, you can always start on the same board on the left lane). Move to the left side until your leg is hitting the ball return. Now - and this is important - turn your body to the right until you are facing the ten pin with the same alignment you use for the pocket. Visualize the line the ball will make to the ten pin using your spare release, which should result in a straighter shot than your strike release, and pick out your target at the arrows. Now walk parallel with that line and roll the ball over your target. Did it hit the ten pin? If not, adjust the target either left or right until it does. This method should feel more natural and should improve your pick up percentage. -- JohnP
Post by: Moe on April 06, 2004, 11:28:22 AM
202
178
210
171
150 (spare practice)
117 (more spare practice)(trying to get guys to bowl for money)
204
232
Total = 1,464 Average = 183 First series = 590
Now for my highs, average out the three highest scores... Series = 648 Average = 215 BTW my 232 is my new high game
Jeff Mop...I practice spares more than once a week, or a month, just because im new to bowling i would appreciate it if ppl wouldnt ASSUME or PRESSUME to know if i can pick up spares, or if i even practice.
Jon P... thanks for the advice but i know how to pick up the 10 pin, it just doesnt alwalys work... as i said eairler i force myself to shoot my strike ball at all spares. Sure i could use plastic, but i prefer to use my strike ball.
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Post by: Moe on April 06, 2004, 11:53:55 AM
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Moe -- Maybe that's why you're a 120 average league bowler. -- JohnP
That was more directed to Jon P.
Its in my profile bud, i think that you set the bar to high for new bowlers. Not everyone has the paitence to bowl, and practice on a regular basis. 140-160 is a good average for a newbie, IMO.
Post by: omegabowler on April 06, 2004, 12:36:13 PM
you have some high caliber people telling what the reality of spares are and you still are in denial.
new, old, to the game doesn’t matter less than 180 = Bad spare shooter. don't take it so personally. that is just what it is.
your first ball may be terrible as well leaving you un-make able spares also. who knows we can't see you bowl.
so a 160 avg on a THS with a physically healthy person does place you in a certain level of skill.
so when you want to chime in a contradict a valuable statement people will get on you because you are misleading other bowlers who may want to get better and need this information to do so.
then when you try and defend so a weak position by denial and self promotion some people will get nasty because this thread has turned into a debate of useless banter.
If you can find a coach for even a 1 day lesson, you will learn so much and your practice sessions will be more valuable. if not listen to some of the better guys here they do know what they are talking about.
it is very conceited to think that you can tell a 20 yr or more skilled bowler he is wrong. If you accept what you are and want to improve you will have a better mental state and you might even avg 200 next year with potential to go higher but you can not do this with the attitude that you know it all already.
heck, even the best bowlers in the world listen to other coaches and bowlers to help there game. you are the world best 130 bowler if you don't need help.
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Post by: Moe on April 06, 2004, 03:44:14 PM
Bottom like, i dont think that people here should be so fast to jump to conclusions. Espcially the OLDER people of the fourm.
Again with the assuming...
quote:Everyone i bowl with is better than me
if not listen to some of the better guys here they do know what they are talking about.
P.S Its obvious you guys cant detect sarcasm on the board...
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Post by: GendouIkari on April 07, 2004, 01:23:30 AM
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A know this about spares but..
Isn't strike percentage based on pocket hits? No offense but 35% seems way too low for this. Assuming you can hit the pocket 10 times and only carry 3-4 time is extremely low. Do not mistake hitting the head pin as hitting the pocket. To me, if you leave a bucket or 2-10 or 3-7, you did not really make it to the pocket.
Hey, my strike percentage is based on EVERY frame.... So that 35% was 11 strikes on 32 frames I played...I dont count if it hit the pocket, brooklyn or anything else... I've had higher strike percentages, but lower spare percentage... With a double and full spares you get 200+ but a 4 bagger and a turkey missing every spare (3) is surely a 190ish game...
Eg. x x x x 6- 9- x x x 7- =198
BUT!!! 9/ x x 8/ 9/ 9/ 8/ x 9/ 9/9 = 202
Get it??? its Easier to knock a pin down... Carrying the whole 10 will depend more on factors like ball choice, entry angle, lane conditions, etc.
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