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jmc1972

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ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« on: February 28, 2017, 04:36:50 PM »
I'm joining the ABT and will likely be playing my first event this weekend. Other then bowling the tournaments are there any other benefits to joining?
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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2017, 05:35:30 PM »
as far as I know, it's just the tournaments. I joined the Vegas branch since I'm only an hour and a half away and they usually put out sport shots.

It sucks sometimes since handicap is involved.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 05:37:28 PM by SVstar34 »

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2017, 06:16:24 PM »
as long as you're not in NorCal, you'll be fine. When I bowled in Washington state, they (those who ran the ABT) are serious about sandbagging. I've seen guys get black balled in ABT and in leagues/houses for sandbagging.

When I first moved to NorCal, they combined the two divisions and I had to bowl against cheaters. I'd beat guys scratch but don't cash because they come in with 20 to 30 sitcks, and bowl 215-220 on sport patterns. I still remember those whom I lost to, beating their ass scratch...
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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2017, 07:22:41 PM »
There's a club for you guys that complain about giving handicap. It goes by 3 letters also.

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2017, 08:40:45 PM »
There's a club for you guys that complain about giving handicap. It goes by 3 letters also.

its one thing to give handicap, but its another to give handicap to sandbaggers.

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2017, 11:07:46 PM »
ABTs are not friendly to scratch and tournament bowlers. im usually 195-205 on sport patterns but unfortunately i averaged 240 in league one year. so i have to use my 240 for handicap bowling on a sport pattern where the tournament is based off of 220.....so no handicap for me while everyone else gets to use their "ABT average" (on sport patterns) with handicap based on 220. but it only takes 9 games to establish an ABT average. O but wait when youre establishing an ABT average if you bowl a game 20 pins under your entering average it doesnt count towards your ABT average. so for me any game under 220 (on sport patterns) didnt count for establishing my average, ridiculous if you ask me

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2017, 11:24:48 PM »
I rather get beat by real handicap bowlers any day...

I don't have to name these famous baggers. itsallaboutme, one or two of them were your regulars. One begged me to drop at least 10 sticks to make a cap for a league lol...

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2017, 07:55:24 AM »
If you have the ability to have averaged 240 for season you shouldn't get any handicap.  ABT isn't the place for you.  It's time to take a step up in competition.

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2017, 09:53:20 AM »
If you have the ability to have averaged 240 for season you shouldn't get any handicap.  ABT isn't the place for you.  It's time to take a step up in competition.

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2017, 10:10:12 AM »
If you have the ability to have averaged 240 for season you shouldn't get any handicap.  ABT isn't the place for you.  It's time to take a step up in competition.

it was by accident. house had the biggest wall ive ever seen. i have no business averaging 240. usually im only in the mid 220s.

my previous point being im a moderate/high level league bowler, im a tournament bowler, im an amateur bowler. these tournaments sounded like a pretty cool idea for me. apparently not. i think the name misrepresents their produc. they cater to the 190-210 league bowler. it sould really be renamed the league bowlers' tour.

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2017, 10:21:57 AM »
Stop already.  Nobody averages 240 for a season by accident.  You average 240 by being able to use your favorite ball, stand in your favorite place and having the skill to exploit the conditions. 

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2017, 11:38:08 AM »
Stop already.  Nobody averages 240 for a season by accident.  You average 240 by being able to use your favorite ball, stand in your favorite place and having the skill to exploit the conditions. 

I agree to an extent.  I have zero experience with ABT.  Not even sure they are in the Texas area.  But I do know if I were to bowl league at a particular house here in Houston, I would average 10-15 pins higher than I do at my current center.  I would love to bowl there because of the competition, but I am relegated to just one league a week and my current center is where I have been for a very long time.

There are also centers in the area where I would probably average 10 pins less than I do now.  Maybe if I were to bowl there longer I could figure it out, but carry-wise, it just doesn't work as well for me.

All this to say a variation of 20-25 pins within an area's bowling centers isn't necessarily uncommon.  There are many reasons why people chose the center they do.  Not everyone uses the highest scoring house. 

But with the 20-25 pin difference, what determines that bowler's "true" average?  Is it the highest averaging center's average or the lowest?  Or is it in between? 

This bowler isn't being punished per se, but because of the assumed scoring floor used for averages, he is limited on his ABT average.  If his average from all his scores is 200, it won't matter because only those scores above 220 count.  This is the decision of the tournament and the OP has to deal with it.  His average will always be above the 220 base regardless of his true average.

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2017, 01:23:06 PM »
ABT started out as a tournament club for 205 and under.  Through the years the rules have changed as the scoring pace has changed and for them to get enough entries to exist.  Back when there were more scratch tournaments to bowl, ABT was the place for the guys that wanted to bowl tournaments but weren't good enough to compete at the scratch level.  Back then it wasn't for the guy that had the ability to average 210+ and it sure isn't the place today for the guy that has the ability to average 240.

240 is a big number.  I've been around a lot of bowling all over the country.  Only really good bowlers on really easy conditions average 240 for a season.

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2017, 01:32:17 PM »
Agree.  I didn't intend to insinuate a bad bowler can average 240.  You do have to be very good and on ideal conditions for that bowler to get there.

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2017, 04:05:11 PM »
ABT started out as a tournament club for 205 and under.  Through the years the rules have changed as the scoring pace has changed and for them to get enough entries to exist.  Back when there were more scratch tournaments to bowl, ABT was the place for the guys that wanted to bowl tournaments but weren't good enough to compete at the scratch level.  Back then it wasn't for the guy that had the ability to average 210+ and it sure isn't the place today for the guy that has the ability to average 240.

240 is a big number.  I've been around a lot of bowling all over the country.  Only really good bowlers on really easy conditions average 240 for a season.

Excellent post. My high book average over the past four years is 237. I'm under no illusion this only happened because it was booked at a very easy house, and I had an unusually good year. I really believe I'm a better bowler than I was then, but this year I'll be lucky to book 225. Conditions are everything.
 
I couldn't stomach the idea of joining the ABT, so I joined the PBA instead. At the senior level, I cash in Regionals about 50% of the time, although I'm under no illusions that I'm even close to the upper tier. But I take pride in the competition I have to face, and whatever I manage to accomplish. I couldn't imagine myself compromising to the ABT.