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jmc1972

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ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« on: February 28, 2017, 04:36:50 PM »
I'm joining the ABT and will likely be playing my first event this weekend. Other then bowling the tournaments are there any other benefits to joining?
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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2017, 01:50:30 PM »
Even though I was terrible outside of a few events, I enjoyed bowling ABT tournaments.  Going in with a 196 average and bowling on sport conditions for the first time was eye opening to say the least.  I averaged about 160-170 and of course when the director of my ABT branch decided to adjust my average down to 165 or so, I averaged 200 on Shark.  Needless to say, I didn't make any friends that day.  It looked like an obvious attempt to sandbag, but I swear there's not a sandbagging bone in my body.  It was just one of those days when everything went in my favor, so many brooklyn strikes, lol!

Alas, my ABT branch shut down.  The director had some health issues, and the branch was taken over by someone that wasn't local.  They changed the structure and payouts got rid of the progressive pot and it all went downhill.  Turnout kept getting worse and worse even before the change of ownership of the branch.  Now we have DYB (do you bowl) tournaments, and have yet to attend any of those.  I miss the old ABT we had in MN...

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2017, 02:38:33 PM »
I've spent time as both an ABT and PBA member. I certainly enjoyed PBA competition a  lot more, but it's much harder to spend $220 + travel/lodging per tournament as opposed to $65 plus pots at ABT. Plus, when ABT was still active in the Chicagoland area (our branch now transitioned to RTB), there were tournaments within an hour or so of my house just about every weekend all year long. Again, this is much different than having to travel 6 plus hours to many PBA events in neighboring states.

I HATE handicap tournaments, and I've never had a ton of success in ABT due to being stuck in the middle. I'm too good to be in the lower division, which offers lower cut scores, more spots, and more money, but I'm not really good enough on Sport to compete with the guys who really at the top tier. As such, I've been a middle-of-the-road ABT player throughout my career there. I've got a 2nd-place finish, a few other Top 5's, and a whole lot of disappointing outings.

I don't like losing to guys who are getting 30-40 pins of cap per game on me, but I know what it is going in, so I don't complain too much. Long story short, if you want to bowl tournaments, ABT is a viable option, but it's far from perfect. Prepare to be frustrated by obvious baggers and, if your branch was anything like mine, the old boys' network deciding who gets re-rated and when.

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2017, 03:14:21 PM »
I've spent time as both an ABT and PBA member. I certainly enjoyed PBA competition a  lot more, but it's much harder to spend $220 + travel/lodging per tournament as opposed to $65 plus pots at ABT. Plus, when ABT was still active in the Chicagoland area (our branch now transitioned to RTB), there were tournaments within an hour or so of my house just about every weekend all year long. Again, this is much different than having to travel 6 plus hours to many PBA events in neighboring states.

I HATE handicap tournaments, and I've never had a ton of success in ABT due to being stuck in the middle. I'm too good to be in the lower division, which offers lower cut scores, more spots, and more money, but I'm not really good enough on Sport to compete with the guys who really at the top tier. As such, I've been a middle-of-the-road ABT player throughout my career there. I've got a 2nd-place finish, a few other Top 5's, and a whole lot of disappointing outings.

I don't like losing to guys who are getting 30-40 pins of cap per game on me, but I know what it is going in, so I don't complain too much. Long story short, if you want to bowl tournaments, ABT is a viable option, but it's far from perfect. Prepare to be frustrated by obvious baggers and, if your branch was anything like mine, the old boys' network deciding who gets re-rated and when.

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2017, 03:33:43 PM »
Long story short, if you want to bowl tournaments, ABT is a viable option, but it's far from perfect.

This is how I feel about it. I like bowling tournaments for the competitiveness factor and to bowl on more difficult patterns.

I've bowled both ABT (Handicap) and SNBT (scratch) in Vegas. I've got a 3rd place finish in each, however my 3rd place in the SNBT was when most of the big guns (David Haynes, Ron Mohr, and others) were bowling a separate year end point list tournament

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2017, 05:35:01 PM »
Long story short, if you want to bowl tournaments, ABT is a viable option, but it's far from perfect.

This is how I feel about it. I like bowling tournaments for the competitiveness factor and to bowl on more difficult patterns.

I've bowled both ABT (Handicap) and SNBT (scratch) in Vegas. I've got a 3rd place finish in each, however my 3rd place in the SNBT was when most of the big guns (David Haynes, Ron Mohr, and others) were bowling a separate year end point list tournament

Those guys were the reason why I didn't get into it.. not because I bowled them in league week in/week out. When they and others were using the our tough shot league in Vegas as their practice for TeamUSA qualifying, you knew they were too good even for the SNBT. Perhaps I should have given it a go..  :-\

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2017, 08:01:08 AM »
I've spent time as both an ABT and PBA member. I certainly enjoyed PBA competition a  lot more, but it's much harder to spend $220 + travel/lodging per tournament as opposed to $65 plus pots at ABT. Plus, when ABT was still active in the Chicagoland area (our branch now transitioned to RTB), there were tournaments within an hour or so of my house just about every weekend all year long. Again, this is much different than having to travel 6 plus hours to many PBA events in neighboring states.

I HATE handicap tournaments, and I've never had a ton of success in ABT due to being stuck in the middle. I'm too good to be in the lower division, which offers lower cut scores, more spots, and more money, but I'm not really good enough on Sport to compete with the guys who really at the top tier. As such, I've been a middle-of-the-road ABT player throughout my career there. I've got a 2nd-place finish, a few other Top 5's, and a whole lot of disappointing outings.

I don't like losing to guys who are getting 30-40 pins of cap per game on me, but I know what it is going in, so I don't complain too much. Long story short, if you want to bowl tournaments, ABT is a viable option, but it's far from perfect. Prepare to be frustrated by obvious baggers and, if your branch was anything like mine, the old boys' network deciding who gets re-rated and when.

The good ole boys Ed Mosseau and Mike Fagan (abt Chicagoland), f*cking crooks. Whole thing is a sham.

I'm not going to go that far, but I've seen/experienced some less than savory things. It seems odd that certain people who have won 10+ tournaments still get 30-40 pins per game yet people outside of the old boys' network lose half of their cap after cashing once or twice. Hell, a buddy of mine had a great showing in his very first ABT event; he even threw a scratch 299 in there. I don't remember the exact amount of the re-rate, but he was basically bowling scratch in ABT from that point forward. lol

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Re: ABT (Amatuer Bowlers Tour) question
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2017, 10:30:11 PM »
Not sure if it applies today.... but when I bowled ABT Chicagoland back in the day I wound up forfeiting my 7th place prize money in order to pay off all the fines I racked up with them.

In my case it was mostly conduct violations, just swearing under my breath after bad shots.  But, it's apparently loud enough for the scorekeepers to hear and they kept turning me in.    I think the fine was $5.00 or $10.00 a pop then, the fines added up to slightly more than my winnings!  LOL!   (Can't keep my mouth shut)    ::)