Post by: Gazoo on October 17, 2005, 11:57:15 PM
The Computer Aided Tracking System developed by the USBC Equipment Specifications and Lane Certification department has documented proof that most bowlers miss the target they thought they hit by one, two or three boards on virtually every shot. Does this mean in the end we are all area bowlers. And what really defines accuracy? The bowler who comes closest to their mark most often, or the bowler who hits the same area of the lane most often?
Post by: Goof1073 on October 18, 2005, 08:07:36 AM
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Post by: Gazoo on October 18, 2005, 08:32:01 AM
As a right handed bowler who is left eye dominate, I agree with you. The question I have is are we really as accurate as we think we are?
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 18, 2005, 08:45:02 AM
I replied BS. He put a penny down on 10 and I tried to hit it.
Jerk that he was/is he laughed every time I missed I finally said where am I hitting. He replied almost 12! Hamammahahahahahahhaha!
Jerk.
SO I aimed for 8 1/2 and pinged the penny off the lane 21 times!
Guess what...I didn't strike anywhere near 21 times. Accuracy in the heads is overrated as a factor in bowling success.
More important is projection angle, consistent revs and speed and STRIKING POWER!
REgards,
LUckylefty
PS a top regional champ friend of mine too great pride in his accuracy.
All the time he could ping pennies and in league would do anything he could to hit his mark. Loose his balance, break his wrist and then complain all day about others carrying. He was down in average to about 216(super sparemaker).
I asked him if he would be open to an idea....YES. I explained that golfers didn't care about where the ball was in the air at 50 yards...only at the final destination. If he could accept a two to three board area but instead focus on his form at theline. Posting position, armswing, closeness to ankle and put his focus on that and forget all the wrist breaking etc. to splice his mark.
Three years ago he did this. Since then he has posted several averages in the high 230s and one or two in the low 24X. He recently was in the top 20 in squad qualifying in the US open also so he is no sprayer!
Post by: azus on October 18, 2005, 08:52:11 AM
If you don't see that you miss your with 1 or 2 board - Do you really miss?
Yesterday we had a accuracy test at the alley. Our coach taped a 4 board wide paper strip on the lane, and we should hit it. Then he made it half as big and we should hit it again.
Post by: azus on October 18, 2005, 08:54:31 AM
Post by: Gazoo on October 18, 2005, 09:05:06 AM
It was not my intention to infer anything about spraying the lanes. 1-3 boards is pretty small compared to someone missing 5-10 boards every other shot! With the help of someone on this site. I was off 4 boards from where I thought I was because the left eye dominate thing. This really was effecting my single pin conversion rate and not so much my striking.
Post by: dogman666 on October 18, 2005, 09:06:53 AM
You are not left eye dominant! You are Budweiser challenged!
Post by: Gazoo on October 18, 2005, 09:16:01 AM
Post by: charlest on October 18, 2005, 09:18:42 AM
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Post by: Gazoo on October 18, 2005, 09:36:14 AM
That is my question. If my target is 10, one shot I hit 13, the next shot I hit 8, the next shot I hit 11, the next I hit 7, yet I think I am hitting 10 every time. How accurate am I?
Post by: DukeHarding on October 18, 2005, 09:59:29 AM
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Lucky, you can hit your mark 100 times in a row, but if your foot isint on the same spot every time then it doesent matter how many times you hit the mark.
azus,
Bingo! If you're not at the same position at the foul line,
with the same shoulder alignment, with the same hand position, ball release and turn, it doesn't matter what you hit (except on a wall), as the ball will project down the lane at different angles.
Then start thinking about approach foot speed, discrepancies in the amount of knee bend from game to game...This is a hard game/sport!
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Post by: baccala8872 on October 18, 2005, 10:07:07 AM
I'd rather be a little bit of a sprayer who focuses more on angle and making the right adjustments in my swing when I feel (in my 3rd step) that I am a little bit off.
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Post by: STBCrushEm on October 18, 2005, 10:09:39 AM
Post by: charlest on October 18, 2005, 10:12:10 AM
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Charlest,
That is my question. If my target is 10, one shot I hit 13, the next shot I hit 8, the next shot I hit 11, the next I hit 7, yet I think I am hitting 10 every time. How accurate am I?
If someone else verifies that you are off by a different amount every time and you see it as having hit your target every time, I think common sense says you're not observing what happens quite correctly. Eye dominance means you see the same number of boards difference in the same direction EVERY TIME. WHat you're describing sounds more like eye "wandering" or not concentrating or possibly some potential vision problem.
You should find some articles about targeting (I don't have any off hand.) but basically we're almost all off by a little bit AND the amount you are off WILL VARY BY THE ANGLE YOU PLAY. Insides lines (4th arrow, for instance) will have you off by more than down and in lines (down the 5 board or 10 board).
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Post by: LuckyLefty on October 18, 2005, 10:16:11 AM
Back to my friend... He had been on the pro tour and had once tested as the 3rd or 4th most accurate player on tour. Based on hitting mark at arrows. He did not make it.
He now runs a very comfortable proshop and does well and wipes out many local stars and tour pros when they come in town.
He believes he could make it now but has gotten comfortable with an every week living and lifestyle.
He believes his "new" way of bowling has pushed him to a new level!
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: Gazoo on October 18, 2005, 10:34:31 AM
This is not a problem I am having. This is a problem the USBC says we are all having. I was missing 4 boards to the same side most times because of the left eye dominance and have made the adjustment, and my single pin conversion rate has gone up and getting a couple more strikes per game.
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 18, 2005, 11:23:59 AM
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: Nollster on October 18, 2005, 11:29:11 AM
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Post by: Djarum on October 18, 2005, 12:46:05 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on October 18, 2005, 12:53:27 PM
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: Pinbuster on October 18, 2005, 12:54:19 PM
It does no good to hit the same spot all the time (or within one board of it) if you don’t have an effective roll on the ball.
Most bowlers if they concentrate real hard on hitting a spot tighten their swing up and end up “placing†the ball on the spot. They would be better served to loosen up their swing a bit getting better roll on the ball and not be quite as accurate.
The really good bowlers, not just house hacks like me, can keep their arm swing loose and still be accurate even on flatter conditions that require accuracy. It is easy to get loose and drill a spot on an easy house shot. It is quite another thing to do it on a flatter sport type pattern.
And any of you who think they hit a 1 board spot more than 90% of the time are kidding yourselves.
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 18, 2005, 12:59:52 PM
My friend...better than most of us...multi regional titlist went to Kegel during his "bad spell".
What they found is he "WAS" splicing his mark. It was just to do it his projection angles were varying all over the place!
Once he went to allowing himself to "miss" his mark he went back to Kegel and his projection angles improved dramatically.
Of course his "BAD bowling was in the high 21X range!!!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS YES, if you can't come within 5 boards of your mark there is a possiblity that one's bowling MAY suffer!
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Post by: stopncrank on October 18, 2005, 01:12:28 PM
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your ball company sucks!
oh, and your ball club sucks even more!