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lilpossum1

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acetone: is it safe?
« on: January 27, 2014, 10:31:31 PM »
Is it safe to clean a ball with? I have heard it damages balls, but I have also heard that is only older balls. A lot of pro shops clean glue off of balls with acetone. Thanks in advance for answers

 

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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2014, 04:57:36 PM »
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Not only safe but extremely effective.  Mo Pinel even recommended it for Mo-rich bowling balls.  Really easy and mess free if you own a dishwasher.  Google dishwasher to de-oil ball.  Been covered many times.  Depends on what you have on hand and how much you like to spend money you don't need to.


Actually, when Morich's website was completely active in English, his first choice for de-oiling a ball was to use a Revivor machine. He recommended water as a second choice if a Revivor was not available. A recent example of Mo Pinel's endorsement of dry heat can be found in Bowlingchat:


http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5304&start=20


I hope this clears up any confusion you might have on Mo Pinel's assessment.


As far as "spending money you don't need to", please clarify that many dishwashers raise water temperatures to levels that exceed ball manufacturer heat warranty limits. Many readers will take your comments on dishwashers that it's a method that safely works in all cases.
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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2014, 07:19:49 PM »
No confusion on my part.  Get some help for that OCD condition of yours. 
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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2014, 07:29:08 PM »
No confusion on my part. 


Good. Then that means:


1)  You understand you've been misrepresenting Mo Pinel's position on his prefered method for oil extraction.


2)  You understand that some dishwashers can actually be harmful due to unsafe water temperatures for ball de-oiling.


I'm glad we have common ground on the subject.

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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2014, 10:03:27 PM »
Sorry, OCD man, you aren't dragging me into this again.  You've been shot down here numerous times on the subject, you've been shot numerous times on the subject on other sites.  First you had a problem with the time needed.  Shot down.  Then you questioned the temp, again shot down.  You were even given building codes regarding water temps.  Then you questioned dishwasher sanitize cycle temps.  Again you were shot down.
You can keep being the little mouse giving the finger to the hawk that is swooping down on him all you want but I ain't concerned anymore.  You go fiddle with your home made e-z bake oven.  Run along now.  I suggest you get some Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, or any combination of modern anti-depressants out there to treat your OCD.
Good luck.   
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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2014, 10:35:02 PM »
So instead of just admitting you gave out incorrect information and setting the record straight, you delve into fantasy about my statements being "shot down".

If you haven't misrepresented Mo Pinel's position on the preferred method for oil extraction, please provide an appropriate link. Prove me wrong. The ball is in your court. In the mean time, I'll provide still another Pinel position statement for you to read and hopefully embrace:

http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=262

And my statement about dishwashers was simple and clear -- many modern models automatically heat water (in the most basic Normal mode) to temperatures that exceed some ball manufacturer warranty limits. Period. All this nonsense about "sanitation cycles" and "building codes" is a superfluous tap dance you injected to avoid having a rational discussion. 

We're here to discuss and provide accurate information that all can take advantage of. If you're really about "posting the honest truth", then demonstrate it. Nobody is going to think less of you for admitting you didn't understand specific facts about the application of heat.
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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2014, 11:42:16 PM »
To the original topic, has anyone actually destroyed a ball using acetone as a cleaner over an extended period of time?? I know it can melt plastics and resins, but I'm curious if anyone here has taken acetone cleanings to that point. Thanks.

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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2014, 02:17:07 PM »
acetone can mess up the coverstock i have been told over the years. with how short a period of time the coverstock last these days  you do not need any more help wearing it down.
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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2014, 03:54:32 PM »
Is denatured alcohol the same thing as acetone? If not, is it a better alternative??

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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2014, 04:10:28 PM »
No, denatured alcohol isn't the same thing as acetone, but both are illegal by USBC rules.  Isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol is legal, but isn't very effective.  --  JohnP

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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2014, 04:57:34 PM »
No, denatured alcohol isn't the same thing as acetone, but both are illegal by USBC rules.  Isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol is legal, but isn't very effective.  --  JohnP

John,

I believe that denatured alcohol is no longer illegal. ... Nope, it's no longer on the "NOT APPROVED EVER" list
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/Non_approved_cleaner_polish.pdf
It's approved anytime.
Storm uses it as one ingredient in several of their cleaners.
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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2014, 11:46:13 PM »
To the original topic, has anyone actually destroyed a ball using acetone as a cleaner over an extended period of time?? I know it can melt plastics and resins, but I'm curious if anyone here has taken acetone cleanings to that point. Thanks.

I used to use it all the time. Never ran into a single problem. Now I would use it to revive oiled up covers and I would see color transfer to a paper towel with it. I stopped using it years ago when I discovered the "warm" setting on my oven. It runs at an even 120. That makes life a lot easier, and more legal...
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Re: acetone: is it safe?
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2014, 07:36:37 PM »
No, denatured alcohol isn't the same thing as acetone, but both are illegal by USBC rules.  Isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol is legal, but isn't very effective.  --  JohnP

John,

I believe that denatured alcohol is no longer illegal. ... Nope, it's no longer on the "NOT APPROVED EVER" list
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/Non_approved_cleaner_polish.pdf
It's approved anytime.
Storm uses it as one ingredient in several of their cleaners.

I stand corrected, didn't know they changed it.  --  JohnP