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rdw

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adjustment for early hook
« on: October 01, 2013, 12:41:40 AM »
Hi guys,

Lately I've been having problems when my ball hooks early and I can't control the backend.  My normal adjustments have been to move left and search for more oil, which only works for a while, and/or to increase my speed (moderate success since I can only increase speed so much without it hurting my timing).

I can switch to a less aggressive ball, but sometimes that hurts my carry.  I've been thinking of trying to use the same ball and lofting to see if that would work. 

I'm just wondering if there is an obvious solution that I'm missing.

thanks in advance.

 

Armourboy

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 01:12:40 AM »
Lofting can work, the pros do it often, but sometimes your shot just doesn't work well with it. For instance, I know Pete Weber has said several times that he can't loft the gutter.


What I did was to learn too throw several shots by changing hand positions etc. Now I'm not great at all of these yet, but I can put more hand in the ball and crank it a bit more if its wetter, come more up the back of the ball with almost zero turn and then if all else fails, I'll just break everything down  move to the outside and hum it.


I'm also learning to change positions within all of that to change how it comes off my hand to change the axis tilt and rotation.

Lofting may be the easier of them to do though, I just have been very good at doing it myself  :-\
 

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 07:14:12 AM »
One thing you can do is change the position of your index finger while bowling. If your index finger is normally more spread out from the rest of your hand while you bowl, then moving the index finger closer to or even as far as right next to the middle finger while cut down and reduce the movement, especially on the backend. Try this, it might help you.

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Gene J Kanak

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 07:46:46 AM »
I'm having a little bit of trouble understanding what you mean by "early hook." It sounds as if you mean that the ball is reading the break point too soon, which causes the ball to knife through the face. Assuming that is correct, you may also want to consider going to a more aggressive ball, probably something solid or something with a little more surface. This may sound strange, but a more aggressive ball is going to bleed off some of its energy as it goes through the heads and into the midlane, which should tame it down at the back of the lane. A lot of higher rev pros put this practice into play on the shorter PBA patters - think Cheetah, Viper, and whatever that new short one is. Everyone thinks that they'll use their weak stuff on those patterns, but a lot of times that won't work because the ball wants to store energy and go sideways once it hits the back of the pattern. As such, these guys use their more aggressive stuff so that the ball spends some of its energy and comes off the back of the pattern smoother. Obviously, don't take your most aggressive ball and scuff it to 360 grit in order to do this! Just try balling up to something a bit stronger, and see if that helps. If it does, great. If it doesn't, the suggestions the previous posters made are possibilities as well.

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 09:41:05 AM »
I agree with what Gene said, but I follow Armour's method more.  I use had positions to control the shape and overall hook.  I do it this simple; If I want more hook i cup my hand/wrist, and if I want less hook i flatten my wrist/hand

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 02:31:24 PM »
To add to what Armour said, check out this great article by Ron Clifton titled Finger Dancing. There has been more than a few occasions where this has really saved my butt!

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip11.htm

Note: It can take some practice to get comfortable with this and learn the effect it will have on each ball. Coupled with wrist position, starting ball height, and moving laterally and vertically on the approach this can do wonders to tweak a balls reaction and is immensely helpful if you're having trouble carrying.
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Armourboy

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 04:22:51 PM »
Interesting 98 I'll give that a try tonight and see what happens :D

rdw

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 05:22:33 PM »
Thanks for all the helpful hints.  I'm excited to try all the suggestions, but I'm going to try using a more aggressive ball first since I would of never thought of it.  I understand the theory, but while I can understand it would calm my backend, I do worry that the ball will roll out.  But I'll give it a shot and report back later.

thanks

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 05:40:51 PM »
More aggressive = earlier rolling, just to clarify.

Armourboy

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2013, 12:18:50 AM »
Must say I'm a little shocked at how much moving the fingers will change a balls reaction. Happy to say I can do the whole bending the finger under with no discomfort, now just a matter of getting the feel of these. Moving the finger way in felt really weird but I liked the ball reaction tbh. I generally have my index way out naturally so it felt like I was gonna drop it, but it rolled really well for me.

98custom

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2013, 09:25:31 AM »
Amrour,

Glad you had some success. I too was definitely surprised by how big of a difference this can make. I do sometimes tend to forget about that weapon and have to remind myself to use that route rather than moving on the approach. I think the best part is that you're able to play the same part of the lane so there's no unexpected differences in oil.

Some of Ron's other articles are also really great for other technical aspects of your approach from timing to wrist position, etc. and well worth a read.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2013, 09:28:58 AM by 98custom »
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2013, 11:07:58 AM »
I've always been a big fan of those finger changes as well. I should probably go to that adjustment more often than I do, but it can really help give you just the little tweak you need.

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Re: adjustment for early hook
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013, 05:48:56 PM »
Didn't get a chance to try the more aggressive (early rolling ball ) theory, since as soon at the shot was beginning to go, they re-oiled for league.

Today I was bowling with my normal tuck pinky, spread index finger release.  The lanes started to hook and I started leaving 4 pins and I thought I would move both my index finger and pinky tight together and untuck my pinky.  It's not night and day, but it is a noticeable decrease in backend.  My ball speed went up slightly, but I'm sure that's a function of my ball crossing less boards at the end.  I'm thinking it could be the difference between getting a 4 pin or big 4 or 3-6-10. 

Definitely worth a try and it doesn't take long to get used to it.  I wear a wrist support so trying the spread index and spread pinky was not an option.  I'll either have to buy a new support or loosen the finger strap.

The finger adjustment definitely changes ball motion for me, and I am  sure it would work in tandem with loft, and speed adjustments.  Can't wait to try the other suggestions.

thanks to all who posted.