Author Topic: Advantage or not?? (Read 1716 times)

Rock77 · « **on:** August 18, 2005, 12:43:01 PM »

Whats your take on prebowling?

I was thinking about it because I have to prebowl tomorrow night for my Monday league.

I really think this is an advantage for the bowler to prebowl. Reason being is that there is no worrying about having to adjust because other bowlers are in your area or drying up your line. Once you get lined up, I think you could virtually stay there for your entire series. The only person moving the oil is you. If you did have to adjust, it would be easier to adjust off of your own line than adjusting off of the lines of 3,4,5 etc... more bowlers.

So, whats your take on prebowling?? Is it an advantage or not??

Different opinions and views are appreciated. I want to see if someone thinks it is a disadvantage and why.
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J_Mac · « **Reply #1 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:46:03 PM »

It's only an advantage if you manage to figure out what you need to do to carry without wasting frames trying to get things squared away.

Yes it is an advantage, and that is why all sanctioned prebowling or makeups have to be done with the team to count for award scores I believe...
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a_ak57 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:49:36 PM »

Goes either way. It's an advantage if you match up quickly, because it won't be changing much. BUT, keep in mind that some centers don't oil often, so you could end up bowling on choppy burnt crap that you never find a line on. It's a double edged sword.
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Rock77 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 19, 2005, 07:11:49 AM »

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Who knows, maybe your blind score will be better than what you bowl if you prebowl.

Geesh Bones, I hope not.

I like all of the POV's coming through. Especially yours Bones. I agree, most leagues that I bowl do not allow pre bowling. The only ones that do are the mixed leagues. They dont allow subs in the mixed leagues I bowl in.

I also bowl a competitive men's league in the fall and they do not allow pre bowling. In addition, we carry 6 or 7 players on the roster and only 5 bowl per week. So we all rotate and get nights off.

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azguy · « **Reply #4 on:** August 19, 2005, 07:22:34 AM »

I can't say one of our leagues doesn't allow it, but requests very seldom get approved, for single pre-bowlers. That's what we have a sub list or as Bones stated, bowl blind. Different story if the entire team can't be there, those usually get approved.

I can't think of why one would want to per-bowl, but we all have our reasons, but as I said, that's what a sub list is for or bowl blind. There is to much room for arguments in per-bowling. One team could say conditions were not the same, lanes were different set, many arguments that, maybe, have a valid point.

If/when a pre-bowl request comes up to the Board, I usually vote no, JMO.
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Pinbuster · « **Reply #5 on:** August 19, 2005, 07:23:20 AM »

If you are saying an individual can prebowl for a team score then I disagree totally. We allow teams to prebowl but not individuals.

Remember the opposing team doesnâ€™t have anyone on their lanes messing up their lines either so that works both ways.

Iâ€™ve seen it work both against and in favor of the teams that prebowl. Often they donâ€™t get the condition they are use too in league and bowl worse than normal. Sometimes they find the perfect condition and shoot lights out.

Iâ€™m with Sawbones in that I donâ€™t like the practice of prebowling unless the other team can be there as well. The competition should be on the same condition and it will not be with them prebowling.

Not bowling on the same condition is one reason I donâ€™t like brackets because sometimes you just get a better scoring pair. It is also the reason so many donâ€™t like bowling against left handed bowlers. You donâ€™t know what they are bowling on versus what you are. It could be better, could be worse.

shelley · « **Reply #6 on:** August 19, 2005, 09:20:36 AM »

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Who knows, maybe your blind score will be better than what you bowl if you prebowl.

Geesh Bones, I hope not.

There certainly are days like that. Many a night would have been better to stay home. I guess that's why we have an "average".

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I like all of the POV's coming through. Especially yours Bones. I agree, most leagues that I bowl do not allow pre bowling. The only ones that do are the mixed leagues. They dont allow subs in the mixed leagues I bowl in.

I also bowl a competitive men's league in the fall and they do not allow pre bowling. In addition, we carry 6 or 7 players on the roster and only 5 bowl per week. So we all rotate and get nights off.

All of the leagues I've been in allow pre- and post- bowling, but for teams only. It does seem unfair if you're the only one playing, you can keep your line all night long. I actually bowl worse by myself since I can't get into a good rhythm, so it's better for me to bowl with my team.

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SuperFred · « **Reply #7 on:** August 19, 2005, 09:35:07 AM »

I've prebowled recently, since I had a tournament and wasn't sure if I'd feel like bowling even more games after a long weekend. The condition was nothing like what we normally get during league, though, and I now have the high scratch series by 40 or 50 pins. Might not be that exciting, but when it's worth $100 back at the end of the season, it feels a bit like cheating people out of money. My opinion is that it's up to the league organisers to decide (or call a vote on) what is acceptable, and up to you to decide if you want to bowl in that league.

Speedburner89 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 19, 2005, 11:45:30 AM »

Other people aren't bowling on your line, yet most of the time, you begin on a broken down shot to begin with.
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Ragnar · « **Reply #9 on:** August 19, 2005, 11:48:43 AM »

The only way that prebowling (or, for that matter, postbowling) makes any sense to me is if both teams involved prebowl together. Otherwise you aren't playing on the same conditions (as has been pointed out.)
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Rock77 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 19, 2005, 12:00:16 PM »

I notice that alot of you say that most leagues don't allow pre/post bowling for individuals. I can see why.

I understand the bagging and whatnot involved when pre/post bowling as well.

As for allowing pre/post bowling scores to be valid for league awards, I don't think that is fair. I feel that in order to qualify for any league awards, heck even honor scores, it should be done in league while in the presence of the opposing team and your teammates.

I for one don't think that pre/post bowling is fair, but it definitely is an advantage. An unfair one at that, but an advantage to say the least.
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tekneek · « **Reply #11 on:** August 19, 2005, 12:02:02 PM »

Singles pre or post bowling is not permitted in our house unless the league votes in favor of it during the annual league meeting. Otherwise the entire team has to be present to pre or post bowl.

As to is it advantagous or not, I do not know as I have never had to post of pre bowl. I do know in our little house the house do not have to run the lanes for the team bowling, so for the most part they are not bowling on a pristine shot, left overs from the night before plus the morning league or traffic from open bowling, based on this I would say no.

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hotstoy · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2005, 05:08:53 PM »

I have been in a league with every situation--does allow, doesn't allow, team only or individual. I don't see that it makes that much difference in the long run. And my personal preference is individual pre-bowl with league board approval--because of the job I used to have which sometimes required hours that conflicted with league. With the ability to individually pre-bowl I did not interfer with the rest of my teams schedules. Sometimes I did good and sometimes I didn't--just like normal league bowling.

novawagonmaster · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2005, 06:17:40 PM »

Advantage for me only because I get a better rythm going when bowling solo. I like a faster pace.
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