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jmc1972

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Advice for Chichen Itza
« on: August 18, 2017, 05:59:36 PM »
Good Afternoon,

Tomorrow I'm bowling Chichen Itza and I've never bowled it before. It looks like a very heavy house pattern with the break point being between the 7 and 9 boards at 40'. An I correct in thinking that?

I have a rev of 300, ball speed is 17mph. Just got a Blue Hammer Urethane that I had resurfaced to 500. Do you think this ball would work at transition?  Thinking of starting with my Surelock then moving to Urethane.

What would you use and how would you play it?  Going to bowl it in the 2nd squad after it's been broken down a bit by 4 games.
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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2017, 07:20:36 AM »
Urethane is for those who can use it on short patterns and last resorts.  There is no reason to be throwing urethane on the second squad of a 4 game tournament on a 40 foot condition if you want to be able to keep up with the scoring pace.

As for how to play it, it will depend on how the first squad plays them. 

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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2017, 07:42:45 AM »
Agree, hard to say how a second shift will play. We have no idea where they will play or even how many to a lane there will be.

That said, Sure Lock to urethane is a huge step down. If there wasn't a lot of people per pair, you might be able to start with the Sure Lock still.  In general, on second shift, its common for high scores to come from people who can take advantage of the friction created by the first shift and open up the lanes. If I were in your shoes, I'd be showing up with code red, no rules pearl, and timeless in my bag and hope one of those gives me a chance to do that.

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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2017, 07:57:49 AM »
Urethane is for those who can use it on short patterns and last resorts.  There is no reason to be throwing urethane on the second squad of a 4 game tournament on a 40 foot condition if you want to be able to keep up with the scoring pace.

As for how to play it, it will depend on how the first squad plays them.

Thank you!
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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2017, 08:00:04 AM »
Agree, hard to say how a second shift will play. We have no idea where they will play or even how many to a lane there will be.

That said, Sure Lock to urethane is a huge step down. If there wasn't a lot of people per pair, you might be able to start with the Sure Lock still.  In general, on second shift, its common for high scores to come from people who can take advantage of the friction created by the first shift and open up the lanes. If I were in your shoes, I'd be showing up with code red, no rules pearl, and timeless in my bag and hope one of those gives me a chance to do that.

Thank you!  I have all of my gear available to me this week. The tourney is being held at my home lanes where I have space in a locker (closet).

My Code Red is 500/2000. I'll try it and my NRP, Timeless in practice.

Thanks again!!!!
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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2017, 08:15:50 AM »
Since you didn't specify what hand you throw, we also have to assume that your a right hander, it also has a big impact as well...

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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2017, 08:17:21 AM »
The fire quantum isn't a bad ball to bring also.

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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2017, 08:42:31 AM »
Since you didn't specify what hand you throw, we also have to assume that your a right hander, it also has a big impact as well...

I am a righty. The last time I bowled Tourney a few weeks ago I simply took the pattern out of play by bowling at 19 mph. After 9 games I had no gas left and lost out on quit a bit of $. Wound up placing 18th. Had I made the eliminations I could have potentially bowled 16 games. I need to figure ours out where to play this pattern so I can keep enough energy to make it all the way.
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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2017, 09:31:33 AM »
My son bowled on that pattern last weekend. It was brutal to watch him. He throws about 16mph, 350rpm. Right handed. It was 4 bowlers to a pair.

The pattern played tough. 8 and right (at the break) played as out of bounds for the first 4 games, throwing across 14 at the arrows, left foot at about 23. Ball wouldn't make it back to the pocket, if it somehow did, it would be just enough to clip the head pin and leave some big splits. After 4 games it was 7 and right, out of bounds. 8 was 50/50 on making it back to the pocket. Of course, he was throwing it out to 7 at the break point. It needed to be 10 at the breakpoint and he couldn't get the ball there to save his life. At 10, it would strike.

I might be a board or two off on where he was standing, throwing it at the arrows. I've quit watching that and just watch for where the breakpoint should be.

It wasn't just him though that saw the OOB at 8. Saw it across all the lanes, watching everyone else.

He tried his Sure Lock at 1000, Warrior Elite at OOB, IQ Tour at OOB. Couldn't find anything that would let him get to the spot.

He had bowled on the pattern the night before where he works. Played totally, 100% different. Break point was 7, his Wreck'em came back easily, carried everything. Brunswick lanes where he works, AMF lanes for the tournament.


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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2017, 10:42:40 AM »
My son bowled on that pattern last weekend. It was brutal to watch him. He throws about 16mph, 350rpm. Right handed. It was 4 bowlers to a pair.

The pattern played tough. 8 and right (at the break) played as out of bounds for the first 4 games, throwing across 14 at the arrows, left foot at about 23. Ball wouldn't make it back to the pocket, if it somehow did, it would be just enough to clip the head pin and leave some big splits. After 4 games it was 7 and right, out of bounds. 8 was 50/50 on making it back to the pocket. Of course, he was throwing it out to 7 at the break point. It needed to be 10 at the breakpoint and he couldn't get the ball there to save his life. At 10, it would strike.

I might be a board or two off on where he was standing, throwing it at the arrows. I've quit watching that and just watch for where the breakpoint should be.

It wasn't just him though that saw the OOB at 8. Saw it across all the lanes, watching everyone else.

He tried his Sure Lock at 1000, Warrior Elite at OOB, IQ Tour at OOB. Couldn't find anything that would let him get to the spot.

He had bowled on the pattern the night before where he works. Played totally, 100% different. Break point was 7, his Wreck'em came back easily, carried everything. Brunswick lanes where he works, AMF lanes for the tournament.

Thanks for the info!  I figured I'd benchmark it with my IQ Tour at the 10 board and move to the correct ball based on the read. Luckily I have 20 balls all different layouts, different surfaces and this time I have access to all since it's being played at my home lanes where I have all my gear.
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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza - UPDATE
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2017, 05:48:43 PM »
FInished up and bowled a -18 in a 4 game series. Had gear that either wouldn't break enough or stuff that broke too much. There's alway tomorrow...don't know if I'll go again.
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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2017, 05:54:09 PM »
I have to ask, did you see the same OOB my son saw?

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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2017, 09:11:20 AM »
OOB for me was more around the 6. The furthest I was able to go was stand 29, release at 12, break at 7. The. Depending on my ball I would miss Brooklyn or come in too light. I left a lot of 4's and 8's. Thankfully easy covers.
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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2017, 07:47:53 PM »
bowled in this pattern on the AMF hpl. playing the track had moderate success. But my best success was up the outside, playing 5 to 3 with a diesel and once some carrydown became apparent, a Ruby kinetic.
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Re: Advice for Chichen Itza
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2017, 09:58:17 PM »
Thanks for the replies. Trying to understand this pattern in case my son (or I) comes up against it again.