Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 16, 2007, 09:45:45 AM
My buzz doesn't seem to want to finish possibly because of the weaker layout I gave it, and I feel there is gap in my arsena; that needs a styrong pearl that will get good length and not read the mids to much, with a hard turn in the back. I have been wanting this so that I can open up the lanes, with enough energy and turn to make it back without leaving the 10 pin as much.
The 2 balls I have narrowed it down to is the Roto Grip Illusion, and Black widow Pearl. I have heard nothing but good things so far about the Illusion, and many good things about the BWP, with a few that weren't so good. I am trying to find out which ball has more steam on the backend, but still gets nice length to it. I will say I am sorta leaning to the BWP but It is still in the air.
Any help you guys could throw in on these 2 balls would help, and which one might suit me the best. Thanks
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Absolute Power
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
Post by: tloy on November 16, 2007, 06:10:38 PM
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Post by: Monster Pike on November 16, 2007, 06:17:35 PM
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Just grip it & rip it!
Post by: themagician on November 16, 2007, 06:27:17 PM
I would defiantly recommend the BWP it fits the bill IMO.
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Post by: Atochabsh on November 16, 2007, 06:30:25 PM
Erin
Post by: Juggernaut on November 16, 2007, 06:38:18 PM
The ball has a reasonably strong coverstock, but has the strongest flaring core you can possibly get today. The only reason it is legal is that it was approved before the U.S.B.C. changed the ruling on differential, but it is perfectly legal for use in all U.S.B.C. events, leagues, and tournaments.
I used mine last night for the second time. Ball flares quite a bit more than I was used to, so my first set was a bit lackluster ( 615 ), but after changing my release a bit and letting the ball " do its thing ", I shot games of 288-252-224 for a 764 series.
Might not be just what you are looking for, but it has good length and a strong backend move. Never quit on me either, had good continuation through the pindeck also.
Just remember, it is most likely going to flare more than you are used to, and for me, seems to handle more oil than my other pearls because of this.
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 17, 2007, 12:00:32 PM
So far I have seen a few suggest the Illusion a, and a few say the BWP, anbymore want to share their knowledge on what they have seen with these balls so far.
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Absolute Power
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 17, 2007, 12:06:28 PM
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Absolute Power
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
Post by: ccrider on November 17, 2007, 02:12:33 PM
I was thinking about gett a BWP. After seeing it on the lanes, I changed my mind. Of course, it may not be fair to compare it to the Machine.
Post by: DON DRAPER on November 17, 2007, 09:01:30 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on November 17, 2007, 11:06:29 PM
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Post by: revTrex on November 18, 2007, 07:42:21 AM
AMF Night Hawk Pearl
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Post by: Xfest on November 18, 2007, 09:14:50 PM
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on November 18, 2007, 09:22:59 PM
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 19, 2007, 06:51:01 AM
Th immortal pearl is being tossed in the mix, but I am still thinking it might flare more than what i am looking for, but it is now on my mind.
I want to know more about the roto grip illusion, it is an inticing ball. ALso the Morich Nsane Levrg sounds awesome, and I would alomst wait to hear more about that.
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Absolute Power
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 19, 2007, 02:00:16 PM
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Absolute Power
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on November 19, 2007, 02:07:07 PM
If you are set on purchasing a new ball, I can tell you the Black Widow Pearl is a very nice piece for the medium shot. I have one drilled identical to my Black Widow Solid, and it is about 2-3 feet longer, with such a controlled move for being a pearl. The hitting power actually amazed me. Of course, some balls just don't match up, so it is really a preference thing depending on what company you enjoy. I am pretty much an all Hammer all the time guy except for the Side Winder that I lug around with me from time to time.
Either way, wish you luck on finding the right match up and may your scores reflect your ability.
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Formerly SGC300
Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 19, 2007, 02:39:30 PM
I really like the black widow pearl, I just need some more info on it, I am worried that is even being a pearl is going to be a sponge like the original, I clean my balls after every set with Lanemaster cleaner, and clean and dull on a regular basis, but over time the widow still needs to be hot water bathed to bring it back to its original reaction, i don't like having to deal with those things as often as you do with that ball. If the sister is less spongey as the original that would be awesome.
I have been really interested in the Nsane LevRG since hearing about it the other day, never tried a Morich ball and have been tempted to.
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Absolute Power
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
Post by: charlest on November 19, 2007, 05:05:50 PM
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Lane Hammer, I too have a BUZZ and mine doesn't finish well either. Just doesn't have the "pop" on the backend like some of my other balls have. It is drilled Pinunder RF and CG out a bit. (4 1/4 x 3 1/2)
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Brick
Not a good choice for a Buzz and your slower ball speed, Jim.
Try a 4.5" x 4.5" with a pin height of 2.5". Pin height can be lower IF you sand the ball back to 800 grit and add a LIGHT dose of Legends ball polish.
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Post by: charlest on November 19, 2007, 05:07:41 PM
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I have looked at the fury pearl alot at first but it seems to handle more oil than the others do. and I don't wnat a ball that needs some oil to work, and I hear tthere is alot of midlane with that ball.
Th immortal pearl is being tossed in the mix, but I am still thinking it might flare more than what i am looking for, but it is now on my mind.
I want to know more about the roto grip illusion, it is an inticing ball. ALso the Morich Nsane Levrg sounds awesome, and I would alomst wait to hear more about that.
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Absolute Power
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
fuh-get about it! All need a lot of oil: Fury Pearl, Immortal pearl and the Nsane. The Illusion needs less, but the backend with a normal drill is ... vicious.
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Post by: charlest on November 19, 2007, 05:13:36 PM
Newest is rarely the best or the most appropriate; don't get suckered into the "HYPE".
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 20, 2007, 12:46:53 PM
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
Post by: Hoselrockets on November 20, 2007, 12:50:30 PM
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THB
Post by: LowRG on November 20, 2007, 01:02:16 PM
This ball is PERFECT for what you are looking for.
Post by: Badger856 on November 20, 2007, 01:09:22 PM
Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 20, 2007, 04:44:37 PM
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 20, 2007, 04:49:17 PM
Post by: LowRG on November 20, 2007, 11:21:39 PM
I'd go with that, seeing as its a Storm product and that makes it stand out much over the BWP.
Post by: Spartan on November 20, 2007, 11:53:08 PM
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Post by: REvans284 on November 21, 2007, 12:03:42 AM
Later,
REvans284
Post by: EboKnight on November 21, 2007, 08:34:31 AM
A high end core no matter how shined the surface will always try to turn up early.
Try drilling a Clash from Ebonite.
I use one for first shift oil (THS) at my home house and it gets down the lane and it hooks a lot.
You need to drill a ball that is made to get down the lane.
NOTHING HIGH END!!!
(Illusion might work too.....)
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Post by: leftehh- LG on November 21, 2007, 08:45:30 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on November 21, 2007, 09:00:05 AM
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Why get so complicated: try some basic strong reacting, good basic pearls, like the Rampage, Nighthawk Pearl, Ogre Pearl, Toxic, Radar, Horizon Pearl, Equation. All are great balls if you use simple, direct, common sense in drilling them.
Newest is rarely the best or the most appropriate; don't get suckered into the "HYPE".
You go Jeff!!!
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Scott
Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 21, 2007, 09:07:47 AM
BWP is still in it as with the Sure Strike for LM
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 21, 2007, 06:18:02 PM
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
Post by: charlest on November 21, 2007, 07:34:23 PM
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I am looking for more of a skid flip pearl, I don't want a rolly pearl, i have enough rolly equipment. Horizon pearl is not bad but from what i have seen the Illusion looks great. Still think It might have to much read in the mids for a inside angle, and leave energy to take out corners.
BWP is still in it as with the Sure Strike for LM
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Arsenal:
-Terminator
-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire
Skid/flip is in the eyes/hands of the bowler. ANy pearl can be made into a skid/flip reaction either by using it on too little oil or using it on too dry and long a backend or by drilling it with too long and/or too high a pin position or an inappropriate MB position on a mass bios ball.
Again, I warn you to be careful.
Somewhere in this mess of replies and posts,did yo uspecify how much oil you want or need to handle. That will help.
Just looked at your profile. You know you don;t neeed a pearl to get a skid/flip reaction. Your profile states you love the BB; its "smaller" neighbor, the BRB, is a major skid/flip ball on medium or lighter oil with an avergae or normal drill. It's NOT cheap. In any case, I prefer the Sure Strike to the BRB, personally.
I still strongly recommend "basic" resin pearls: Rampage, Illusion, RXS300, Green Gargoyle (MAJOR skid/flip; you better be darned serious about wanting a skid/flip ball, if you choose this one!), Uranium HRG, Wrath SF, Kinetic (not pearl; still major skid/flip reaction), MoRich Awesome FLip, Toxic.
Ok, time to stop replying and pick a freaking ball already. This is not a major life or death decision.
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Post by: Juggernaut on November 22, 2007, 01:06:23 AM
From everything I have seen, the Cherry Vibe fis that bill very well.
From the down and in strokers here playing down the first arrow, to the cranker here who plays fourth arrow with it, it seems to do exactly what it was meant to do. Medium flare with a strong read off the dry and a carry ratio as good as balls costing twice as much. Seems to match up well for lots of different styles here and works on everything except the extremes of oil patterns.
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Post by: REvans284 on November 22, 2007, 10:03:08 AM
Another ball I would recommend from VBP is the Dual Toned G-3 Gryphon. I have the Frankie May and while it was much too early OOB finish I sanded it to 1000 and polished with 3M rubbing Compound (comparable to Delayed Reaction polish), and even with that on the ball in a wood house it was still very angular so I could imagine what the G-3 would be like with the normal polish/factory finish on it (I believe they use or use something very close to Powerhouse Factory Finish Polish on their pearls/polished reactives for OOB finish).
I gave my FMG to my better half, and now I wish I had it back as I have shot some pretty nice scores with it in the last week. I think I will try the G-3 soon, because the FMG was a little too much ball for me.
Later,
REvans284
Edited on 11/22/2007 11:05 AM