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Well we are 2 weeks away from league finishing for the year. My son's league is very interesting, and what I mean by very interesting is the parents and grandparents.
 
I became entry level coach this year, and went to a seminar on teaching entry level bowling. Now before I get into this. I have never offered up a bit of advice in this league all year. I do not coach any other kid but mine. I realized on the first week that there is a lot of so called bowling "EXPERTS" in this league.
 
Well my son is bowling. Every so often I video him. Trying to do it when he doesn't see me.  As I am getting to video this old lady (Grandmother of kid on other team), starts telling he is getting his arm out to the right when he throws. I know that. So I tried to further explain to her its because of his swing, and she keeps arguing with me. I said look I am a coach....I don't talk about your grandson poor style....then she proceeds to tell me she has been bowling for 50 years. I walked away. No point talking to someone who has no clue about this sport.
 
These parents and grandparents through this whole league criticize these kids based on the result (Strike or Not) and always telling them where the kid's arm is after the follow through.
 
So if the kid throws a strike. Great! You threw a strike! Kid throws next frame (same poor style as previous strike ball) but gets a bad count. They start saying "You didn't do this or that!"
 
And I keep my mouth shut the whole time. Really ticks me off about this lady she kept up her antics after we had the confrontation. Every time my son bowled and threw it right. She shrugged her arms and nodded her head telling her husband see I told you.
 
 
These people are so STUPID!!!! ALL THEY CAN DO IS CRITICIZE AND OFFER NO SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM! 
 
Okay .... got that off my chest....
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 03:03:50 PM »
I hear ya... I coach in my my sons league as well I really like the kids ya help out and if they don't strike the parents are telling them to not listen to us cause we don't know what we  are doing...HaHa....Trying to help them get on the right path to being successful bowlers is what we, the coaches, strive for but its hard when the parents undermine your help.... Had a couple question me at different times...I show them my two sons 13-185 ave. and 9-130 ave. I think I my know a thing or two and can  get to them what they are gonna need to succeed in the Sport of Bowling.... I tell them it's gonna take time but you have to let them progress as they can...I guess they think they can master the sport in a couple games.... I have asked a grandparent to walk away for awhile before their grandson was so fustrated with the constant banter from him he was a breaking point...just the relief of him not right there the kid did a 180 and had a great finish...



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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2012, 03:53:45 PM »
While I am not a "certified" coach, I understand where you are coming from, and have been through the same exact thing when trying to help the kids here get a good start and learn to both be good AND enjoy the sport.

 

 For years I have studied the game. I worked hard to learn the ins and outs of why certain things work, and why certain things do not work. I also know that all you can "teach" is the basics of how to bowl and why it is the correct way, then let each individual find their own way to accomplish this. We are all individuals, not robots, and each of us will have our own nuances in orfer to reach certin goals.

 

 Then, after trying to help, and actually seeing improvement in someones skill levels and scores, there will come the "helpful family member" who does nothing but tear apart anything you might've been able to impart, often under the guise of "that guy is just a nobody and doesn't know what he's talking about" in reference to me.

 

 Thing is, I've been an over 200avg tournament bowler for years, and the "helpful family members" are 160avg house bowlers who can't even cure their own bad habits.

 

 Just keep going guys and doing what you're doing. In the end, it is all worth it if you help even one kid get better and enjoy the sport.
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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2012, 08:42:54 PM »
after reading this it sounds like a long time bowler either full of jealously or a such a grudge against anything that does nothing like they want it to be like so make a point thinking there is only one way and no other way.


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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2012, 10:41:48 PM »
This subject is a long time interest of mine and actually I originally fought it in baseball--little league parents and

coaches.  I was a head baseball coach in a large metropolitan high school who paid his dues through assistant

coaching for many years.  I have a Master's Degree in Physical Education.  My point being that at least the

US Dept. of Education recognizes me as an expert in this field.  After retiring I continued to be an avid bowler

(who, by the way,) who only coaches bowlers when specifically asked.  It is my opinion that coaching schools

do not offer enough training for most people to become certified coaches.  However, if you have no ego and

are truly trying to help someone, go ahead.  If you are rebuffed, shut up and mind your own business.  You are

most certainly able to help family members without interference.  The major hinderence in this is that all coaches

honestly believe that they know what they are doing.  Most do not.



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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 03:01:18 AM »
I wish other parents would take the approach my parents did....

 

My dad was a good bowler before some leg problems have caused him issues getting around. When I was in junior leagues, my dad was very well respected in the area for both his attitude (or lack thereof) and with his ability as a bowler. Not once however when I was in junior leagues did my dad try to shove any of the "You did it wrong" garbage down my throat.

 

Typically his issues with me was based on attitude or disrespecting the game. I didnt realize it then----but I definitely realize it now. While my temper from when I was a teenager to early 20s took awhile to die down, I enjoyed the game more because it wasnt "Do this, do that". It was simply "Have fun, do your best". I have taken the same approach with my daughter who just started a few weeks ago in her first junior league. I am proud of her no matter what she does----as long as she simply has fun, and does her best. Why would you pay for your kid to bowl, just to make them miserable and make yourself miserable? I dont get it.


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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 03:34:50 AM »
 I'm in the same boat. Certified coach, my son averages 190(15), daughter 125(12).  I help anyone that wants help.  If the kid doesn't want to listen to my advice, so be it. When I'm telling them something and they keep looking back at dad/mom/uncle or whom ever, so be it. They can be his/her coach. I have no problem with that. I'll just pay more attention to the ones that want it.   I've heard of a parent who was talking trash about me because I couldn't get his son to hit his target no matter what I told him. That's my fault?  The sad part was he couldn't say it to my face and opted to tell someone else, who just happened to be a friend of mine.
I try and keep myself focused on the kids that want the help.  

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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 01:01:27 PM »
This is an interesting topic. I have been around bowling either bowling myself or now with my kids bowling for the past 30 years. I was not the greatest bowler, was not the smartest bowler, and I am not afraid to admit it. I am not a certified coach. I have had many parents ask me to help their kids in the past. I said I would as long as the CHILD wanted the help. I have seen so many parents try to force their kids into listening or yelling at them. This will only brake the kid down. This past season I saw that happen to a couple kids my son bowled with. I would let my son bowl how he wanted, at 7 years old he has a good solid game. I think he ended league with an average of 100-105. So yeah I am proud of him. All I do is tell him what he is doing wrong when he starts to get upset. Once he does the things I tell him to do he is right back on track.
The whole have to be a certified coach thing I am tossed on. Yeah the coaching classes teach you a lot of great information. The problem I have seen with it though is the ones who get certified seem to think they know more than anyone else. I am not saying this is the case with the original post, do not take this the wrong way. I think in the case of the o.p. the woman was just not willing to listen at all. Good luck on this.   


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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 01:17:51 PM »
I have gone through this with my own son.  There is this guy who has been a coach.  I watched my son this one particular week in general.  He went high on the nose.  Instead of teaching what he did wrong, he holds up 2 fingers and points sideways.  Here is what he didnt teach/say.  "You are starting too far back from the foul line.  When you slide, you are so far back from the foul line you bend at your waist way too much to get the ball to the lane.  Because of that, you are way off balance at the line and falling off your shot."  This guy/coach that has been chirping in his ear does average a bunch on a THS but has not been through any formal coaching.  I am not "certified".  But I have been to clinics and listened quite a bit what is being said by those who are.  My son averages right at 200 in his youth league.  I keep telling him there is no reason why he cant average 215-220 though.  Fundamentally, he is pretty sound.  But, a couple tweaks would have him pretty solid.



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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 01:55:18 PM »
Coaching and gaining recognition in any sport is hard!

 

Often the best bowlers are not the best coaches and anyway during youth league they are busy drilling and making profits for their pro shops. 

 

The disrespect in bowling for anyone that is not on the pro tour or an eagle exceeds the recognition of a teacher in most other sports, but is not unlike the disrespect prevelant in our society in general.

 

My son is creeping up on being the high average in most houses where he bowls and is better than most of the coaches in his youth leagues, however I respect all of them for the time and dedication to the kids.  I have only been upset at one of the youth coaches, one time ever, and that is when they made one son stop doing his two handed bowling years ago because they thought it was illegal.  I stayed friends with that person and admired her dedication to the kids.

 

I am lucky my son's/daughters  are pretty nice athletes in several sports.  Very often I am asked if I frequently coached them and if they listen to me all the time.  The answer is an "emphatic NO".  Very seldom have they ever taken advice from me, very seldom do they seek my advice, and often they feel I ignore them.

This is often been my best chance to help is when they have struggled and I am whacking the ball out of the park in golf or striking like crazy in bowling(less and less often I might add).  I will often continue while they whine that I am no help!  It is precisely then I get to ad a little snippet of advice(finally they say!).  Often at ONLY that time have they been willing to listen very closely and it has helped as a result and they have advanced another notch.

 

At this point in life I realize that many great coaches never bowled hardly at all as they got more into coaching,  some examples I believe are John Jowdy and Bill Taylor.

 

Regards,

 

Luckylefty

PS thank God I am not a professional coach or attempting to be one is mostly what I say on this subject.


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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 02:07:43 PM »
There are a couple of things that relate to this post.  1.  Is that everyone has the right/responsibility to coach their own family or anyone else who asks for advice;  2.  Even if they have no clue, everyone believes that they know what they are doing and are fully justified in coaching others;  3.  It is not anyone elses business unless they are

directly asked.



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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2012, 04:04:55 PM »
Who's,

 

Great post and summation!

 

REgards,

 

Luckylefty


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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2012, 04:42:18 PM »
The only thing worse than no it all parents and grandparents. Is trying to coach your wife.   I've learned to observe, analyse and then go tell the house pro to give her the coaching or advice. Took we the first 19 years of our twenty year marriage to figure that out, sadly.



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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2012, 05:24:34 PM »
Exactly! I have never said a word to any kid in this league. Not once. I do not offer any kind advice. It is none my business. If someone would ask, I would gladly try to help. In my scenario the lady is telling me and my son what he is doing wrong. My comment to this lady was to get her to shut up. Obviously it didn't work.

 

I took the entry certification course and went to a seminar so I could help my son. I am okay at bowling, but being okay bowler doesn't make you good at coaching it. My eyes were opened taking this course and I can say its made a big difference (and its been a big help). There are things I am able to teach and correct that he is doing. Its great having the ability to teach a solid foundation and have the confidence you are going in the right direction. 

 

I think a lot of parents would benefit from that USBC seminar I went to. I think it was only a couple of hours. After the course was over we gathered at the lanes and the instructor had us bowling left handed. Great eye opener! When things are awkward its always not so easy to do. That was the point he was trying to get across. He was basically trying to get us to understand what its like for kids learning. I think some parents could benefit in that lesson.
 
There is more to coaching (in any sport) than telling someone what they did wrong. Anyone can sit back and tell you what you are doing wrong. The key is getting someone to do things right. 

 



Whos Left wrote on 3/26/2012 12:07 PM:
There are a couple of things that relate to this post.  1.  Is that everyone has the right/responsibility to coach their own family or anyone else who asks for advice;  2.  Even if they have no clue, everyone believes that they know what they are doing and are fully justified in coaching others;  3.  It is not anyone elses business unless they are


directly asked.


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Re: Almost made it through son's league without incident....(Venting)
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2012, 05:26:19 PM »
+1


On coaching the WIFE!!

 


It's the job of the Youth Program Director, to set the tone on how the coaches will interact with the kids and more importantly, how to handle the parents, grandparents and those armchair coaches. If the director has the confidence that you as a coach will bring something helpful to the program, they in turn should set rules for what a parent can and can’t do while the child is participating in the program.


 


Our director has set the rules that the assigned coaches have the responsibility to coach the kids, not the parents, grandparents or anyone else. If the parent feels that they can do a better job of coaching, they are welcome to join the program and then they can help coach all the kids not just theirs. If they are not willing to follow these rules, they can pull the child from the program.