Post by: The Hose on September 13, 2004, 09:45:45 AM
Last year I ended with 227 and was bowling alot and bowled tournaments every week or so.
This year, I'm bowling with urethane and don't really care about how I score. It's a fun league and I'm bowling with some guys that haven't bowled before. The way things are going, I'll be lucky to book 200.
If I decide to get serious again in a year or so and bowl handicap tournament, will I be bagging?
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Post by: Bill Thomas on September 13, 2004, 06:02:27 PM
Post by: O on September 13, 2004, 06:05:22 PM
Post by: rowdy on September 13, 2004, 06:08:15 PM
Post by: guzmand19 on September 13, 2004, 06:18:40 PM
Im with Rowdy. If you are just practicing to round out your game, you're not bagging. If you are purposely maintaining your average to gain an advantage of the handicap, your bagging
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Post by: shimozukawa on September 13, 2004, 06:23:10 PM
Well, the association that I belong to will normally go back a couple of seasons to verify averages. So... even if you were sandbagging, it wouldn't matter because the 227 would probably be the average used anyhow.
Beside that, I generally think of it this way: If you are asking the question, then you are probably sandbagging.
Post by: SrKegler on September 13, 2004, 08:00:22 PM
You haven't bowled a handicap tournament in years. Why consider shooting one now or in the future. Would having a lower average have any thing to do with the decision.
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on September 13, 2004, 08:25:57 PM
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Post by: Pinbuster on September 13, 2004, 09:49:38 PM
Post by: Doc Hollywood on September 13, 2004, 10:15:36 PM
Just don't make it too obvious and average 189.
Who cares what people say whether you are a bowler or a bagger. Just agree with them and tell them to get a life. Only you know whether you are or not.
When you bowl well you are a bowler. When you bowl bad you must be a bagger.
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Post by: A K A on September 14, 2004, 09:17:51 AM
Post by: Pinbuster on September 14, 2004, 12:05:57 PM
Post by: Ragnar on September 14, 2004, 12:10:24 PM
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Post by: The Hose on September 14, 2004, 12:23:57 PM
OK, I'm going to bag all year and book a 189 average then go to California and bowl in every tournament that Nicanor is in.
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on September 14, 2004, 03:11:32 PM
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Post by: Ragnar on September 14, 2004, 03:17:18 PM
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Post by: A K A on September 14, 2004, 03:39:41 PM
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Post by: rowdy on September 14, 2004, 08:06:45 PM
1. If you bowl on ANY oil pattern other than the easiest pattern in your region, you are a bagger - if you are a 180 avg bowler on pattern D (for example) what do you think you are going to bowl on a THS? DUH!!!
2. If you are ever sick, or just not feeling 100% and decide to bowl, and then happen to bowl under your normal average you are a bagger!
3. If you drink enough to affect your game (even once) you are a bagger.
See how ridiculous this can get???
Bagger: Intentionally setting/dropping an average for the ONLY>>>ONLY>>>ONLY purpose of getting an unfair advantage in a handicap league or tournament.
Sorry for my rant - I think bagging is like ADD - everybody uses it as a blanket excuse for their own failures.
Post by: The Hose on September 15, 2004, 09:57:09 AM
I'm trying as hard as I can but I'll be lucky to average more then 205.
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Post by: DanH78 on September 15, 2004, 10:10:51 AM
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Post by: A K A on September 15, 2004, 10:16:38 AM
Post by: rowdy on September 15, 2004, 03:00:25 PM
That's why ABC doesn't change its rules - it is impossible to verify someone's intent. A local example is that there was a formal complaint to the local ABC rep about some individuals bagging. The local rep advised the league that they were bowling in that they couldn't do anything about it - All the individual has to do is provide a plausible explanation - it becomes an issue of heresy. They also went on to say that they did not participate in "witch hunts" that were probably based on a personal grudge, etc....
I say don't get all fired up about baggers - just bowl better and beat the crap out of them - that's the way to get them.
Post by: Steven on September 15, 2004, 03:18:57 PM
So, if Hose intentionally bowls a handicap league using Urethane only, knowing his average will be lower than it would be with reactive,
then
next year enters a handicap tournament (using his Urethane average), but instead utilizes his higher scoring reactive equipment,
then
sandbagging is in action. At that point, he's intentionally taking advantage of a artificial average he created in the past.
If on the other hand he bowls tournaments with urethane equipment, then the established average becomes real and no sandbagging occurs.
Hose knows this; he's just yanking your chain.
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Post by: Ragnar on September 15, 2004, 03:53:44 PM
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Hose knows this; he's just yanking your chain.
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Steven, thank you. I've been wanting to say all along that a close observer would note that Hose had his tongue firmly in his cheek on this one. Trust me, Hose knows what a bagger looks like and would, I believe, shoot him on sight.
(on edit) I forgot to add the Hose is pulling a Sawbones on us (remember, the fruit doesn't fall that far from the tree).
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Post by: The Hose on September 15, 2004, 04:25:51 PM
Even if I was to book under 210 or so with urethane on juiced up conditions, I think my pride wouldn't allow me take any handicap.
The nice thing about using urethane on juice is that I can tell the second the ball hits the lanes if it's close or not. With all of my other stuff, even with a miss, I know it will be close and it's just a matter of carry.
The Hose = Old School
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Post by: Steven on September 15, 2004, 04:39:57 PM
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Even if I was to book under 210 or so with urethane on juiced up conditions, I think my pride wouldn't allow me take any handicap.
Hose, I believe you; you're a quality bowler and want to win based on pure merit. Unfortunately, as we've discussed in the past, too many bowlers would take that urethane average to the handicap tournament 'bank' in a heartbeat.
Good thread though. You had a lot of people going.
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Post by: omegabowler on September 15, 2004, 05:13:13 PM
He knows that most tournaments with any real cash always go back a few years, 5 in most cases.
so 1 year of fun won't make you a sandbagger.
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Post by: bad1_andy on September 15, 2004, 08:43:21 PM
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Apparently I ain't the only cat on the block digs Cheeto's.
Post by: Zman on September 16, 2004, 03:09:24 AM
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LOL at Steven and Rags
Even if I was to book under 210 or so with urethane on juiced up conditions, I think my pride wouldn't allow me take any handicap.
The nice thing about using urethane on juice is that I can tell the second the ball hits the lanes if it's close or not. With all of my other stuff, even with a miss, I know it will be close and it's just a matter of carry.
The Hose = Old School
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Is this all just a desperate cry in the night by the flat Hose to have me volunteer to show up for the Miller Lite again ?
Come on man I'll bring urethane and you can carry my weak azz in doubles.
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Post by: stormerjip on September 16, 2004, 03:17:57 AM
Post by: The Hose on September 16, 2004, 10:13:36 AM
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Is this all just a desperate cry in the night by the flat Hose to have me volunteer to show up for the Miller Lite again ?
Come on man I'll bring urethane and you can carry my weak azz in doubles.
LMAO, Even if I shot 900 along with you're 463, that would be 1363.....good for 13th place
I think EverEasy is looking for a partner
and also someone to bowl doubles with
btw, I shot 640 last night
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Post by: bad1_andy on September 16, 2004, 01:06:11 PM
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Apparently I ain't the only cat on the block digs Cheeto's.