Author Topic: Am I bagger???? (Read 5642 times)

trash heap · « **on:** June 27, 2008, 05:21:18 AM »

I only used Urethane Equipment on league night for the past season. My league arsenal did not contain any reactive equipment.(Stingray/C, Scout Hi-flare Urethane, Lane #1 XXXL, and White DOT).

I always bowl in Local and State Tournaments. This year went to those tournaments with a 213 average from previous year (Reactive Equipment on THS). This year's average is 200. Difference of 13 pins a game. I can honestly state that I am a better bowler this year than previous year. I am more consistent, better spare shooter, and definitely more focused.

So....am I bagger???

KDawg77 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2008, 01:22:33 PM »

You're only a bagger is you don't give effort on purpose, not by ball choice.
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Jorge300 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2008, 01:24:39 PM »

If you used urethane equipment for sole purpose of lowering your average to take advantage of added handicap in tournaments, then yes. If you did it in order to improve your overall game, and you don't use the additional handicap for an advantage, then no.
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1MechEng · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2008, 01:36:00 PM »

Depends - do you have an established tournament avg. - and if so, do you use it (or just your league average?

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trash heap · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2008, 01:52:28 PM »

Jorge I definitely did this to become better. It seemed like last year I hit a plateau in my ability. I wasn't getting better. The main problem I found after bowling this year with Urethane was my concentration. On THS with reactive I had no focus most nights. The only thing I had to do was stand left and throw right. Make adjustments with feet only keeping the ball in oil. Poor throws still got strikes.

This year in league has been a humbling experience in reference to score. I would make good shots (what I thought were good based from previous year) and leave pins up there while my opponents are carrying everything in the world.

I do not have tournament average. If I was to have a tournament average from the past years I would guess it would be less than my current 200 average. I have played on some pretty tough conditions.

This year at states was my best series in singles I ever had (691 scratch).

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Nails · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2008, 02:31:02 PM »

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If you used urethane equipment for sole purpose of lowering your average to take advantage of added handicap in tournaments, then yes. If you did it in order to improve your overall game, and you don't use the additional handicap for an advantage, then no.
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The exact point I was trying to make in the other post. If you're doing something to lower your average for the purpose of getting more pins in a handicap environment, you're a bagger.

If you go through a process similar to what you describe and your average drops 20 pins and you enter in a ton of handicap events and clean up, you're not technically a bagger, but it might not be completely moral. I guess the right thing to do is explain the situation to each tournament director. If they choose to re rate you based on your previous average or tournament average, you should accept it.
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Steven · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2008, 02:36:44 PM »

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I guess the right thing to do is explain the situation to each tournament director. If they choose to re rate you based on your previous average or tournament average, you should accept it.

The above is the correct answer for anyone not bowling up their full scoring potential in league. If you use Urethane in league but use resin in tournaments, you have the moral/ethical responsibility to disclose.

I think a tournament director would lose it in this pants if anyone actually came forward with such honesty.

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gsback · « **Reply #7 on:** June 27, 2008, 02:46:26 PM »

I would agree with Steven on that as well.

If it were me....the question would be asked how I felt if I found out the person who won did what you did and he beat me out!!

The only other thing I would suggest is your rationale of equipment for said tourneys. If you go to them throwing the same urethane and shoot lights out....that can happen any night and you shot with the same equipment.

If you come in touting all the new stuff, resin, particle and pearls and all....then I would think you may want to rethink your approach and stay away from tournaments.
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Gazoo · « **Reply #8 on:** June 27, 2008, 03:06:00 PM »

If you used reactive equipment during the tournament, then yes. If you used urethane, no. This is sort of like the bowler who guzzles beer all night during leagues and averages 188, and only drinks water during tournaments and averages 215 but doesn't think he is bagging. If he guzzled beer during the tournament he wouldn't.

trash heap · « **Reply #9 on:** June 27, 2008, 03:16:51 PM »

Well I have never won a tournament. The only handicap ones I go to are locals and states (at those I only enter Scratch brackets. Don't want to deal with handicap)...every other tournament is scratch. The closest I ever got to winning was a local scratch tournament (4th place - mostly luck of the draw on who I bowled). My 691 at states isn't going get me any cash. Add in my other 2 series (Doubles - 580, Team - 565) that gives me a 204 average at states.

I am going to bowl with Urethane again this year in league. Who knows my average might be over 210...That would be GREAT!!!

I usually wouldn't even bother with something like this but this is the first year my average dropped considerably (13 pins).

Can you just put a higher average in the tournament entry form and give no explanation?

rackattack · « **Reply #10 on:** June 27, 2008, 03:33:41 PM »

Baggers do not bowl scratch.
You bowl scratch.
You are not a bagger.
What gear you use is up to you.
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Gazoo · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2008, 07:39:14 AM »

"Can you just put a higher average in the tournament entry form and give no explanation?"

Just use your 213(high book) which is your real average and there shouldn't be any problems.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #12 on:** June 28, 2008, 08:25:43 AM »

bagger....yes!

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302efi · « **Reply #13 on:** June 29, 2008, 07:03:48 PM »

Now are you only going to use Urethane Equipment in the touneys ?

If not, then yes thats bagging.

Since your avg is 13 pins lower with the Urethane, why would you use reactive gear in the tourneys now ?...To gain an advantage ?..hmm...
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rackattack · « **Reply #14 on:** June 29, 2008, 08:49:41 PM »

So if you use any equipment in tourneys other than your league gear thats bagging.
I don't think so.
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