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SrKegler

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Am I missing something
« on: February 16, 2004, 10:35:35 PM »
Am I missing something.  I have 1 ball for dry (plastic), 1 for short oil mediums, 1 long for oil mediums, and 1 oil ball.

I’ve read a lot of posts lately where guys will say I have a great shot with ball A, but ball B rolls too soon and hooks too hard.  I’ll polish it up or put a different drilling in so it will match up better to the conditions.  Why, are they just wanting a group of balls that will work on one condition.  Do they just HAVE to use that new ball for some reason.  

I’ve seen it a lot when we hit the tournament sites and run into a heavy oil pattern.  Now my partners heavy oil ball has the guts drilled out of it and the shell polished so high it won’t work.

League nites I’ll see guys haul in 5-6 balls, maybe 1 boards difference in reaction.  What is the sense of having an arsenal that has been tweaked to handle one specific condition.  If I take 4 balls into league, I should have 2 balls that I know won’t work on that condition.

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Re: Am I missing something
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2004, 01:47:51 PM »
Doesn't make much sense to me either.

Perhaps some of the comments you've read have been from people who purchased a ball for a specific condition (to fill a gap in their equipment), found it wasn't quite what they were looking for, and tweaked the surface to get it to where they wanted it.

For example, I currently have a gap between two balls in my arsenal that equates to basically an eight board difference in overall hook and maybe 2-3 feet in breakpoint distance.  If I purchase a new ball, and it is too close to ball-B in my arsenal, perhaps I sand it down some so it is more towards the center of that gap.  However, writing about it, I would say it was "too close to ball-B so I did xxx to it, and now it does more yyy".  Once it's in that gap where it needs to be, I don't change it.
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Re: Am I missing something
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2004, 02:07:18 PM »
In a league where the shot is pretty consistent every week, I don't see why 2 balls plus a spare ball shouldn't cover it.  I remember watching some of the best bowlers in our league only drag one ball and shoes in.  I could tell when one of them wanted to try out a new ball or were looking for a little better carry.  Then they would drag in 2 balls.  

How do you think the pro shop guys feel when they specifically lay out a ball for a condition other than what they see in their normal league only to have that bowler come back and complain that their new ball is a piece of junk because it won't work in the league that the pro shop operator told them not to use it in.  I don't have a problem with people buying bowling balls, but just don't clutter the bowlers area with 6 balls that all do the same thing.

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Re: Am I missing something
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2004, 02:33:32 PM »
I've been taking 4 + balls to league lately, but that's because I'm experimenting,....I know only one ball will fit the bill, it' s just choosing...
Tonight....1 ball = plastic.....
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Re: Am I missing something
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2004, 02:50:31 PM »
I see it all the time also.  Buy the new MegaHook, find out it hooks to much for their THS, redrill the guts out and polish it..., and end up with the same thing they already have.  Now, my league shot doesn't change much week to week, so I typically bring the same thing - plastic, one med/light ball, a medium, and a medium heavy.  Within a shot or two, I know which I want based on the heads and carrydown, and stick with it.  The other two are insurance policies in case the shot changed drastically.  I used to carry an oiler with me just in case there's an oil machine problem.  Every once in a while lane #1 gets a ton of oil; maybe the wicks are really saturated when they start?  Even when I did bring the oil eater, it got used once or twice over 2 years.  I'm not going to turn my tournament oiler into a medium oil THS ball.
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Re: Am I missing something
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2004, 02:52:25 PM »
This may not be the poster’s case but I’ve seen it a hundred times.

A bowler comes in and says they want a ball for “X” conditions. You drill it up and they throw it and are happy. But the next week they come in and say they used it on their “Y” condition league and it hooked too much and they want you to shine it up. Before you are through they will have tweaked the ball to where it is the same as every other ball they carry. The hook shape maybe a little different but they all end up hooking about the same amount.  

Bowler’s by and large are not willing to spend money buying a condition specific ball that they virtually never throw. If they don’t soon run into the condition they will make the ball fit the condition so they can use it.

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Re: Am I missing something
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2004, 03:47:19 PM »
Here's my view of this, and it's going to be in my typical long-winded fashion, so get ready.

With respect to bowling skill, and equipment knowledge and use--and using just those two criteria--I'd say there are four types of bowler.

Bowler A is a talented bowler who works hard on his game and has a higher than usual degree of versatility.  He also keeps up with the equipment end of the game and has a variety of balls with different drillings and surface preps and he keeps them up well; knowing what he needs on different lanes.  This guy is hard to beat, except by another bowler of the "A" type, or occasionally by...

Bowler B.  He is just as talented as Bowler A, but doesn't know or care much about equipment.  He uses old tracked up stuff, probably doesn't clean it, and is sometimes seen using totally inappropriate equipment for the conditions, such as the guy in my league using a Granite Gargoyle on lanes with fried heads and mids.  His talent and versatility keep him ahead of most of the rest in spite of his equipment handicap.

Bowler C is probably in the intermediate to advanced intermediate class when it comes to talent and skill.  He knows what he ought to be doing with his physical game, but either through sheer lack of talent, or time to get coaching and practice he just doesn't have the game to keep up with the big boys.  He compensates (partially) for this by obsessively keeping up with equipment changes and becoming knowledgeable about different types of coverstocks and where they are most likely to be effective, drillings, surface preps, ball cleaning, polishing, and surface altering agents (stuff like Neotac Control-It and other products that contain slipping agents), etc.  He has a spinner and keeps track of what surface preps he uses and what surface prep he used before in case he decides he likes the way the ball was better than the way he has it now.  He will have equipment that is very dull and increases in shine throughout a typical (say six or eight) ball arsenal.  This bowler can't compete with Bowler A, except rarely.  He can top Bowler B with some regularity, but PROBABLY not over a long format.

Bowler D is Joe Bowler.  He may have glimmerings of brilliance occasionally, but it's mostly an accident.  He doesn't really know what he's doing, either in his physical game or in his equipment choices.  He almost never beats Bowler A or Bowler B, but occasionally beats Bowler C (much to the annoyance of Bowler C) when his game and his equipment work in sync for a change.  This is the guy all you pro shop operators know who comes in and buys the latest hook monster and then gets annoyed when it doesn't seem to work.

I consider myself to fall pretty much into the category of Bowler C, with occasional percolations up to the level of Bowler B.  This is why I carry more equipment than seems necessary, either for the level of skill I have or the house shot I usually bowl on.  I've got a couple balls for the heavy lane conditions, but I don't see those conditions much, so those balls just stay in the car while I'm bowling most of the time.  I've got a couple balls that are for very dry lane conditions.  I see those conditions with some frequency, but those balls start out staying in the car, too.  I go and get them when I see the need.  I have four balls that go in with me when I bowl, and they are all for different versions of a "medium" condition.  They are carefully chosen by type, drilling, and surface prep to give me a somewhat different "look" on mediums, and I try to find and use the one that gives me the best of that elusive element known as carry.  Most of the other bowlers think they all look about the same when I throw them, but I can see the difference; and if there are any of the Bowler A types around, they can see the difference too.  

This is the reason I have all these bowling balls.  It is the same thing that all tradesmen do.  It's called using the right tool for the job.  If you can afford specialized tools and know how to use them, it helps get the job done better.  It helps me handle Bowler B, at least half of the time--maybe more.  Bowler A is out of my range, but I nail one occasionally.  Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

One last thought...
As an engineer, I just plain enjoy all this tinkering with bowling balls, drillings, and surfaces; and trying to use my knowledge to get my game and equipment lined up for the conditions I face.  I acknowledge that honing my skills would be more effective for producing a better game of bowling, but I have time to spend a few hours here and there at the spinner.  I don't have time to go to the bowling alley every day--especially since I work days and trying to find someplace to practice before the second shift is over is just about impossible even if I had the time, which I don't.  I accept my limitations, but my equipment knowledge allows me to maximize my scoring.

To anyone still here and awake; thank you, thank you very much.

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T-Hob

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Re: Am I missing something
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2004, 04:30:59 PM »
Very entertaining, post Shiv. I pretty much agree. The only thing with me is that I have yet been able to determine a "medium" oiled lane condition. Dry and heavy oil are obvious. If it's not either of those, I just see which of my balls gives me a reaction that I like and I just use it until something changes. They oil the lanes right before our league on Sundays and sometimes it's still a little different from week to week. It's more of a feel thing rather knowledge when I decide which ball to use. That might put me somewhere between C and Joe average.