Post by: lil League Coach on May 14, 2010, 01:52:20 PM
I dont think its fair that a bowler should be allowed to shoot games over 300. I bowled against guys getting 60-70 pins per game and shooting 250-260 scratch games giving them well over 300. There are bowlers in the league getting 0 pins HDCP (myself included) and I dont think its fair that if I achieve perfection I have a chance to get beat.(I realize most are thinking then join a scratch league--- there is nothing under an hour drive) I think that a perfect score should be 300 regardless of what your handicap is. Look at other sports......
--In football most of the time (WR, RBS, TE, QBs) score the majority of TDs well lets say there is a fumble and a lineman scores a TD.. it still counts as 6pts there is no Bonus pts awarded.
--In hockey if a goalie scores a goal it only counts as 1 goal nothing extra. I can go on and on.. I just wanted to air that out and see what the ballreviews community thinks about it.
I try bringing this up before the start of all of our leagues and I get looked at like I have 10 heads.
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Post by: Russell on May 14, 2010, 10:12:31 PM
They handicap bowler gets punished for series if you cap how much they can shoot.
Ex:
150 bowler with 63 pins shoots 260 = 323
While this sucks if you're the scratch bowler, if you cap the amount he/she can shoot at 300 you are taking away 23 pins they earned on series.
So now the scratch bowler can lose by 22 pins, but win series because the of the "spotback". This will give even more bowlers in the 150s to 180s a reason to quit. We can't afford to keep screwing the people that are the majority in favor of a few that want to win everytime they shoe up.
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 15, 2010, 12:06:38 AM
First, they get to use equipment that "levels the playing field" and lets, as Mo Pinel calls them "Percy Pussknucklers", dump the ball at the foul line and still get ball reactions better Earl Anthony ever did. Then, they also have to handicap them 100% from 230.
Now they have to accept the fact that, even though they might reach ABSOLUTE PERFECTION, they could STILL lose.
It isn't about fear, nor is it about feeling like I should win every game or series. It is about giving people at least SOME incentive to improve instead of just show up, shoot 640 scratch, add in 100 pins or more in handicap, then listen to them brag about "how they beat the crap" out of someone who actually DID shoot over 700.
You don't have to, as Russell puts it "Screw the majority", but you don't have to give them the keys to the kingdom either. I remember being a handicap bowler, and yea getting the pins was nice, but knowing I was only getting a small percentage (70% of 200) gave me incentive to get better and get those pins myself.
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Post by: averagebowler on May 15, 2010, 01:06:15 AM
all of you guys high average bowler should get together and put your own scratch league and not join the hdcp league. the only reason you guys join the hdcp league is to take advantage of the low bowlers out of thier money. so stop crying about it. geesh!!!!!
Post by: Juggernaut on May 15, 2010, 01:29:47 AM
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all of you guys high average bowler should get together and put your own scratch league and not join the hdcp league.
I live in a small rural area, and there just aren't enough scratch caliber bowlers around here, so this is not an option. If it were, you can bet I would.
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the only reason you guys join the hdcp league is to take advantage of the low bowlers out of thier money.
I don't even get in brackets, or high pots. I am that rare bird who bowls purely for the pleasure and the challenge, not for side pots. The only money I take from the "low bowlers" is the point money the team gets for winning games.
The only reason I join hdcp leagues is they are the only leagues available to me without driving for over an hour.
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Post by: dukeblue87 on May 15, 2010, 02:14:56 AM
This doesn't exactly work for league points, but most of the complaints I hear is when someone shoots 300 and doesn't even cash in the hdcp pots.
Post by: rexb300 on May 15, 2010, 07:15:15 AM
turn out be the same
I just got done in 5 man league had 100% from 1100 so all teams got some
handicap my team avg was from 1040 to 1070
we finish about middle of league we were highest team average so usbc
saids top team will finish 1st not all time if we got on a set of lanes
that were bad would lose points cause bowled under 1100 lot of times.
but my point is on team average handicap don't matter if a low average
bowler shoots 300 its a team sport
heres a good one we just had team meeting last week for another league
I bowl and is 90% from 1050 team average 5 bowlers.
and I have had this happen before and I am tring to help lower average teams
I have 2nd high average on league at 223 but or team average is about 950
so we get about 90 pins a game handicap
I here might get a new team next season with a average of 1075 or better.
so I make a motion to raise handicap to 1100 so don't have a scratch team
getting a 25 or 30 pin head start each game
here questions I get being I have a high average the lower team average
bowlers say what you tring to do get more handicap you tring to pull
something I say what are you talking about
I am tring to help you oh no you tring to pull something because thats the
way we done its for years
I say yes but with a big average team comes in they will shoot 1050 and
higher more often
they didn't want more handicap I said do what you want I guess just keep my
mouth shut go bowl somewhere else.
it's pass but everybody things I pull something over there eyes
then I start a summer league its single league
after we start bowling there is a bowler averageis 230+ bowling
I ask whats handicap so I know about points its kind of a fun league
its 90% from 210 I said should it be 220 in this day and age
thats the way its been I get or a pair that oiler did something to
I shoot 506 against a guy shoots 511 I missed a 10 pin
so I will get 37 pins a game next week and I could shoot over 300
see whats happens
sorry long its raining I will follow up next week
later RB
Post by: TMack on May 15, 2010, 08:28:26 AM
Post by: Aloarjr810 on May 15, 2010, 09:20:15 AM
Say anyone below 200 bowls scratch.
Those over 200 get a negative handicap. Say 50% of the difference of their ave. and 200.
example:
A 240 ave gets a -20 (240-200=40 40X50%=20)
Post by: PLM on May 15, 2010, 09:21:49 AM
Post by: Russell on May 15, 2010, 12:44:10 PM
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Why is it that the higher average bowler is EXPECTED to just "suck it up" and deal with it? Why can't the lower average guys just be expected to STFU and go out and LEARN TO BOWL?
As someone who has gone from bowling regionals and averaging 230+ to being a 3 game a week league hack for life because of career and kids, I think the mentality of "learn to bowl" is pretty ignorant. We have handicap for a reason, it's to level the playing field and give everyone a chance.
The real gripe with your post is the fact that people get pins and beat you. Let's call it for what it is.
How many times have you seen someone lose with a 300. I have been bowling comptetive leagues for 12 years and have seen it happen ONE time. I don't think screwing handicap bowlers out of points over and over again because they get a spot back over 300 is worth that one point that I saw lost.
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First, they get to use equipment that "levels the playing field" and lets, as Mo Pinel calls them "Percy Pussknucklers", dump the ball at the foul line and still get ball reactions better Earl Anthony ever did. Then, they also have to handicap them 100% from 230.
So you're saying the equipment only helps the low average bowlers?
Come on...
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Now they have to accept the fact that, even though they might reach ABSOLUTE PERFECTION, they could STILL lose.
It's a handicap league...that's the way it works. I stick to my comment above about it happening ONE time in 12 years...don't see the point in changing it for a once in a blue moon occurance.
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It isn't about fear, nor is it about feeling like I should win every game or series. It is about giving people at least SOME incentive to improve instead of just show up, shoot 640 scratch, add in 100 pins or more in handicap, then listen to them brag about "how they beat the crap" out of someone who actually DID shoot over 700.
Maybe most bowlers don't have the time or resources to bowl 40 games a week to improve. I used to when I ran a pro shop, but now I have 2 kids under 3 years old, and I live 30 minutes from the closest bowling alley. I don't have time to practice or the money to constantly blow on new equipment.
I love the game, but I'm not going to give my money away to someone who has more time and money than me. If that were the case I wouldn't bowl competitive leagues. People like you should bowl scratch leagues. If there aren't enough people to have one....tough s**t.
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You don't have to, as Russell puts it "Screw the majority", but you don't have to give them the keys to the kingdom either. I remember being a handicap bowler, and yea getting the pins was nice, but knowing I was only getting a small percentage (70% of 200) gave me incentive to get better and get those pins myself.
I want you to think about how many times you've seen someone LOSE with a 300 game, and then how many times that a handicap bowler would lose totals because of the spotback. The tables are already in favor of the scratch bowler. If you don't believe me look at your rolloff every year, most of the scratch teams end up there anyways.
It's not giving anyone the "keys to the kingdom"...if that were the case handicap teams would run most leagues over. They don't...I know it....you know it...you just want even MORE of an advantage.
I used to be just like you...when I was bowling 40 games a week and I wanted to win everything. I wanted league handicap at 80% of 210 so my stacked team could run away and hide every third. Now I understand that kills leagues and the spirit of competition.
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Post by: shelley on May 15, 2010, 01:01:18 PM
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How about a negative handicap system.
Say anyone below 200 bowls scratch.
Those over 200 get a negative handicap. Say 50% of the difference of their ave. and 200.
example:
A 240 ave gets a -20 (240-200=40 40X50%=20)
Mathematically, this is stupid.
Someone with a 150 average shoots 190, 40 pins over average. All his buddies are telling him what a great job he did, how he really helped the team out. He shoots 190 maybe once a month.
Someone with a 230 average and -15 "handicap" pins shoots 20 pins below average. His teammates are raggin' on him for stinkin' up the joint. He still beat the handicap bowler, though.
If you can explain to me how that's fair, I'll suck your dcik.
SH
Post by: glssmn2001 on May 15, 2010, 01:05:07 PM
Now I suppose if you do not feel this way then maybe Handicap should be from a score of 300 so everyone get a little something. With this every bowler can shoot 320 or whatever and we can just continue to make a mockery of bowling.
Post by: Juggernaut on May 15, 2010, 02:14:12 PM
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As someone who has gone from bowling regionals and averaging 230+ to being a 3 game a week league hack for life because of career and kids,
The above describes me almost EXACTLY. My average was only 224.
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I think the mentality of "learn to bowl" is pretty ignorant. We have handicap for a reason, it''s to level the playing field and give everyone a chance.
The above does NOT describe me at all. I had to "learn to bowl", so why can''t everybody? You obviously did.
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The real gripe with your post is the fact that people get pins and beat you. Let''s call it for what it is.
No, my real gripe is watching guys dump superballs with broken wrist releases and get balls to do what it took me 10 years to LEARN how to do.
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How many times have you seen someone lose with a 300. I have been bowling comptetive leagues for 12 years and have seen it happen ONE time. I don''t think screwing handicap bowlers out of points over and over again because they get a spot back over 300 is worth that one point that I saw lost.
Here, you have a valid point. Not very often on a week to week basis, but a handicapped high game and series usually win the high pot for the year because they end up being over 300 and ALMOST over 900.
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So you''re saying the equipment only helps the low average bowlers?
Come on...
No, but the help is GREATLY dis-proportionate.
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Maybe most bowlers don''t have the time or resources to bowl 40 games a week to improve. I used to when I ran a pro shop, but now I have 2 kids under 3 years old, and I live 30 minutes from the closest bowling alley. I don''t have time to practice or the money to constantly blow on new equipment.
I started bowling competitively when I was 22. I had a house, a car, and a job that paid $10.50 an hour. I averaged 103 my first year, but spent the time, money, and effort it took to LEARN THE GAME. If I could do it, ANYBODY could, IF THEY WANTED TO.
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I love the game, but I''m not going to give my money away to someone who has more time and money than me. If that were the case I wouldn''t bowl competitive leagues. People like you should bowl scratch leagues. If there aren''t enough people to have one....tough s**t
And I love the game as well. Heck, I''m that guy that has showed half the bowlers here how to hook the ball, free of charge and just because they asked. Thing is, I don''t think the guys who DO take the time, money, and effort to LEARN THE GAME should be handicapped into total submission for their efforts. My current average is around 210, and I get a few pins handicap ( which I SHOULDN''T).
I wish I COULD bowl scratch leagues. I would get my azz handed to me more often than not, but that''s not possible here, and yes it is my tough s**t luck.
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I want you to think about how many times you''ve seen someone LOSE with a 300 game, and then how many times that a handicap bowler would lose totals because of the spotback.
Like I agreed earlier, you have a point here, even if they DO win the handicapped game and series pots.
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The tables are already in favor of the scratch bowler. If you don''t believe me look at your rolloff every year, most of the scratch teams end up there anyways.
There ARE no "scratch teams" in my leagues anymore. They''ve all taken on some lower average bowlers to meet the maximum team average limits that were imposed by the handicapped bowlers three years ago.
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It''s not giving anyone the "keys to the kingdom"...if that were the case handicap teams would run most leagues over. They don''t...I know it....you know it...you just want even MORE of an advantage.
No, but since they can''t run them over, they gang up and take them over because their are so many more of them. They just bring up a subject, then out vote the scratch minority.
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I used to be just like you...when I was bowling 40 games a week and I wanted to win everything.
Then you DO understand. Only thing is, your philosophy changed when your bowling habits did, and mine did not change. I now only bowl 3-6 games a week (right now I''m out with a knee injury), but STILL think the way I used to.
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I wanted league handicap at 80% of 210 so my stacked team could run away and hide every third.
I like to win, but it isn''t about "running away and hiding every third", it''s about giving each and every bowler what he''s earned through his own efforts because that seems "fair", doesn''t it?
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Now I understand that kills leagues and the spirit of competition.
See, that''s just wierd to me. When I was a newbie, I got beat all the time by better bowlers, but that was just incentive for me to get better and learn how they did it, not just continue to stink and penalize them enough so that I could compete with them.
We don''t disagree as much as it would appear, I don''t think, I just wish bowlers had to work a little harder, learn a little more, EARN a little bit more like WE had to, and quit relying on someone to just give them enough to make up the difference.
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Post by: Pinbuster on May 15, 2010, 04:34:45 PM
Thru the years I've known lots of league bowlers who spent large sums of money, practiced many games a week, and sought out the best coaches and could never average more than 170. Some people just do not have the co-ordination needed to shoot higher scores.
I also disagree that equipment helps the lower average bowler more. Most 150 average bowlers would average about the same with plastic or with resin. The higher average bowler gets more boost in score for the easier lane conditions and reactive balls.
Watch what happens when lane machine malfunctions, the higher averages will shoot significantly lower and low averages will not be so effected.
The easy lanes and advanced ball are sometimes a bigger crutch for the mid range bowler, the 180 to 200 average.
I've been on the losing end of shooting 300 and losing to a 302 with handicap. I reached over and congratulated them for the good score. It is the only time I have seen someone lose like that and I have been bowling over 45 years.
Handicap leagues are just that, not serious competition for high average bowlers. You can't take them too seriously.
Post by: TamerBowling on May 15, 2010, 04:52:58 PM
While it does get frustrating once in a while in the handicap league, everyone in a handicap league knows what they are getting into. Frankly, pots are rarely won by handicap bowlers. High game is rarely won by a handicap bowler. In the handicap league, we use 90% and my team has negative score every week because we are over the cap. The thing is we have different teams win every year and people just enjoy the opportunity to win. It's not dominated by one team.
Almost all the scratch bowlers bowl on a handicap league as well. Some complain more than others, but it is what it is. Honestly, I initially had mixed feelings about seeing a high scratch score of 325 but they will rarely bowl that high.
Then again, scratch bowlers find other things to complain about in the scratch leagues, like "it's a lefty house" or "the 205 bowler spraying all over getting strikes while I'm 220 and can't carry anything". There's always something to complain about it seems.
I just enjoy bowling and like anybody sometimes get frustrated, but in the end have no big problems with the system. I think 90% is fair as it tends to even the playing field for a fun league.
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 15, 2010, 05:42:18 PM
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Same tired old stuff from Juggernaut. See his post about Petraglia saying sport bowling not the answer.
And the same old tired responses from you as well.
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You like to put yourself up on a pedestal that you are so much better than most people.
No. As a matter of fact, I am not NEARLY as good as I once was. And furthermore, it isn't about ME, it's about bowling.
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You resent new balls,
Yeah, a little.
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you can't stand people that don't have "perfect" releases like you, blah, blah.
My release is FAR from perfect. And those that ask get shown how to do it, not rebuffed for their ignorance. I love to help people learn about bowling.
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Here's the ironic part....all you do is b$tch about the lack of oil on today's lanes in post after post. Well, superbowler, learn to adjust. Tone the release down.
I have, but it turns out my complaints were valid. The old laneman got fired because they caught him INTENTIONALLY messing with certain bowlers (me included) by putting oil on one lane and not the other or stripping one lane and not the other. Maybe I was under the impression that todays conditions suck only because MY conditions did.
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Here's the funny thing...lots of guys can strap it, not dump it, and average in the 230's. So what's your problem?
Like I said, I used to average 224 when I was bowling more, so no problem here.
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Unfortunately, you cut the handicap and your league will lose teams. Seen it time and time again. You're not willing to drive to bowl against bowlers of your high caliber? Give up bowling or at least quit b$tching about it all the time.
Now THIS I can agree with. And I CAN'T drive to compete with those guys. My old employer went bankrupt and my new one has me working on an "as needed" basis, so I have to be available when the call comes and be there in an hour or lose money.
And, I'm NOT really b$tching about things, even though it must seem that way, I guess I'm just disgruntled at the modern participants lack of what bowling once was, and therefore their lack of understanding at what it took to be considered "good".
I DON"T HATE HANDICAP, NOR DO I HATE HANDICAP BOWLERS. That's where I started, and where WE all started I'll bet, I just think there should be SOME limit to it somewhere, otherwise, where is the incentive to get better? Where is the incentive to learn the game and its history? With no incentive, who will ever love the game like WE do?
CRD, I know we see things differently, but honestly, it isn't about me, it's about the game. I've come to grips with the fact that I'm older and must make room for the next generation, I just want them to be bowlers who love the game, learn the game, and appreciate where it came from so they can take it into the future where their going. Is that so bad?
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Post by: Aloarjr810 on May 15, 2010, 07:06:10 PM
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Mathematically, this is stupid.
Someone with a 150 average shoots 190, 40 pins over average. All his buddies are telling him what a great job he did, how he really helped the team out. He shoots 190 maybe once a month.
Someone with a 230 average and -15 "handicap" pins shoots 20 pins below average. His teammates are raggin'' on him for stinkin'' up the joint. He still beat the handicap bowler, though.
If you can explain to me how that''s fair, I''ll suck your dcik.
SH
Lets see:
the 150 ave shoots 190
the 230 ave shoots 210 -15 which gives him 195
hows that fair? well the high ave guy beat the low ave guy. the big complaint about handicap is high ave bowlers are losing to low ave bowlers all the time ( because they shoot over ave or improve all the time). here they didnt
As for giving me a blow,Ill pass I dont swing that way. But Im glad to see you came out of the closet.
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Post by: Aloarjr810 on May 15, 2010, 07:16:57 PM
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Dude, you forgot to add in the handicapped guys pins.
Lets see:
150 avg bowler shoots 190 AND gets 65 pins, gives him 255
the 230 avg bowler shoots 250 AND STILL LOSES.
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Dude you didn't read my original post.
Anyone with a ave below 200 had to shoot scratch and didn't get any handicap!
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Post by: shelley on May 15, 2010, 07:44:09 PM
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hows that fair? well the high ave guy beat the low ave guy. the big complaint about handicap is high ave bowlers are losing to low ave bowlers all the time ( because they shoot over ave or improve all the time). here they didnt
At what point do you take that to its absurd conclusion that a 210-average bowler should never beat a 215-average bowler?
Yes, the complaint is that the high average bowlers are losing to the low average bowlers, but I'd like some statistics to back that up. More than anecdotal evidence, that is. The problem is that high average bowlers tend to remember getting beat by a guy they're giving 50 pins to but they don't ever seem to remember the regular poundings they give back. Until someone provides me with some season-long datasets showing who beats who and when, I won't buy it.
Also, you don't seem to actually understand what handicap is supposed to do or what "everyone has a fair chance" means. You are confusing "fair" with "high average bowlers win", which is more closely related to "just".
SH
Post by: Aloarjr810 on May 15, 2010, 08:07:31 PM
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At what point do you take that to its absurd conclusion that a 210-average bowler should never beat a 215-average bowler?
Yes, the complaint is that the high average bowlers are losing to the low average bowlers, but I''d like some statistics to back that up. More than anecdotal evidence, that is. The problem is that high average bowlers tend to remember getting beat by a guy they''re giving 50 pins to but they don''t ever seem to remember the regular poundings they give back. Until someone provides me with some season-long datasets showing who beats who and when, I won''t buy it.
Also, you don''t seem to actually understand what handicap is supposed to do or what "everyone has a fair chance" means. You are confusing "fair" with "high average bowlers win", which is more closely related to "just".
SH
As for the 210 and 215 ave bowlers, where did they come in this? and who said that a 210-average bowler should never beat a 215-average bowler? I didn''t.
Also in my original post where did I say it was fair? I didn''t.
Oh and as for the 210 and 215 guys, using the negative system back in that post.
the 210 guy would only have a -5 and the 215 guy would only be a -7. the 210 guy would hardly lose all the time.
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Post by: bltbyj on May 15, 2010, 08:13:38 PM
Post by: rvmark on May 15, 2010, 09:38:35 PM
In the end I think it would be best to just enjoy the bowling!
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Post by: TamerBowling on May 15, 2010, 10:01:25 PM
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An older lady once told a high avg bowler to "Just Shut Up and Bowl" when he was complaining about handicap.
The Short short version
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Post by: bltbyj on May 15, 2010, 10:43:44 PM
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An older lady once told a high avg bowler to "Just Shut Up and Bowl" when he was complaining about handicap.
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Yup
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Post by: Russell on May 16, 2010, 10:10:35 AM
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Mathematically, this is stupid.
Someone with a 150 average shoots 190, 40 pins over average. All his buddies are telling him what a great job he did, how he really helped the team out. He shoots 190 maybe once a month.
Someone with a 230 average and -15 "handicap" pins shoots 20 pins below average. His teammates are raggin'' on him for stinkin'' up the joint. He still beat the handicap bowler, though.
If you can explain to me how that''s fair, I''ll suck your dcik.
SH
Lets see:
the 150 ave shoots 190
the 230 ave shoots 210 -15 which gives him 195
hows that fair? well the high ave guy beat the low ave guy. the big complaint about handicap is high ave bowlers are losing to low ave bowlers all the time ( because they shoot over ave or improve all the time). here they didnt
As for giving me a blow,Ill pass I dont swing that way. But Im glad to see you came out of the closet.
Edited on 5/15/2010 7:33 PM
So handicap bowlers beat high average bowlers all the time?
Do you do the math in Washington as well?
90% of 230
225 bowler gets 4 pins
150 bowler gets 72 pins
If both thoot their average the high average bowler wins...right?
So how does the low average bowler win most of the time?
Don't give me some crap about "well they shoot higher more of the time"....because they don't. If they did their average wouldn't be 150 anymore.
I see so many high average bowlers who spent enough time to get better, but not enough time paying attention to simple math in school to figure out percentages and odds.
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Post by: Aloarjr810 on May 16, 2010, 11:35:45 AM
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the big complaint about handicap is high ave bowlers are losing to low ave bowlers all the time ( because they shoot over ave or improve all the time).
So handicap bowlers beat high average bowlers all the time?
No they don't beat high average bowlers all the time and I never said they did. I just said thats the big complaint.
Heres what I personally think:
I don't have a problem the handicap system as it is now. I think most of the time when High ave. bowlers lose and blame handicap, its really because "they as a team or individual" just didn't bowl good.
In all the leagues I've been on when you seen a high ave. team lose and you looked at the scores.They lost because they just bowled average or a little under. The low average team bowl their average or just a little more.
High average bowlers a lot of the time, act as though low average bowlers are having career nights every night they bowl and they are constantly improving.
But if they constantly doing that, why dont their averages go up. They all cant be sandbagging.
Yes lower averages have more room to shoot over average and improve. But thats not the fault of handicap and you cant penalize them just for having a good night or improving.
As to the O.P. thoughts about 300's
A 300 is a perfect "scratch" game. Your bowling a handicap league
As for football and hockey, they are playing in a "scratch league".
If they added a handicap, a lineman might very well get extra points who knows.