Author Topic: Angles to the pocket (Read 10555 times)

Jesse James · « **on:** January 04, 2014, 09:05:33 AM »

I know this has been discussed before but what angle to the 1-3 pocket seems to get the most strikes? Would it be down and in.....up the boards.....or the inside swing shot which a lot off balls already have that angularity built into them?

JustRico · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2014, 09:33:03 AM »

Depends on the condition plus how & where the ball is losing energy...

Dave81644 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2014, 09:34:02 AM »

You cant really define the absolute best carry that way.
Im sure there are studies that calculate optimum carry angle.
After bowling on multiple patterns over the last several years (sport & house)
i am more focused on repeating good shots and keeping the pocket in play
The shot usually dictates what angles are available, then a tweak here or there with a different piece or surface is what i do
I rarely decide on what angle is best
Again, this is just ME, how I process the information I see and use.

Jesse James · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2014, 09:54:53 AM »

Thanks for the reply. The reason I ask is this....got into a discussion with another bowler who recognizes the fact that geometry is in play, regarding how you attack the lanes, However, he refuses to believe that in some cases, on some conditions, you HAVE TO MOVE YOUR ANGLE of attack. He believes that he can attack the pocket down and in, all day long, without moving, just by changing balls.

Essentially changing the ball surface to match the conditions he sees. I said, this may very well be possible but your carry will suffer as you attempt to match up, each and every time you switch balls.

Now mind you, he steadfastly believes that he does not have to move his feet or target, once a track has been burned into the pattern......yet.....what started this conversation to begin with was.....his frustration with constantly pinging ten pins! LOL! Unbelievable to me.

Dave81644 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2014, 10:00:52 AM »

That is a losing conversation, something along the lines of a quote we all have seen

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience

JustRico · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2014, 11:29:48 AM »

I don't look at it as stupid at all...I look at it as interesting the way the mind functions when looking at it from a 'scientific' way and there arguments pertaining to such. It's logical to them

Impending Doom · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2014, 12:02:06 PM »

It all depends on how you're able to get the ball to face the pocket. Sometimes, best way is up the g, sometimes, 5th arrow fallback. As we all know, it's important to knock them down, not look like we're going to knock them down. Your friend sounds very intelligent, but I've found that sometimes, you can over think. Its a sport where you have to watch multiple things to figure out why you're not carrying.

JustRico · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2014, 12:05:00 PM »

I would tend to believe that ball speed is as important as anything...

Rightycomplex · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2014, 02:49:56 PM »

This going to sound douchy but, the best angle is the one the condition requires with your specs. The ball has too stop hooking and start rolling, ball that can roll the longest will have the better potential to strike more. Strokers don't have too much versatility to their game so Down and In is ideal and probably the easiest as there aren't many boards to cover. Now this doesn't mean that Strokers, are better, it just means they'll have less transitions and less ground to cover.
Drier conditions help the ball to roll which is why scores go up on dry patterns. Oil requires more surface and stronger balls to help the ball slow down and stop hooking. This why Strokers move in and wrap corners, they are not getting the ball to slow down fast enough to get into a roll so the ball is still hooking through the pins.
Everyone wants all this "continuation" and that's the reason they don't strike.

northface28 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2014, 04:34:25 PM »

Quote from: Rightycomplex on January 04, 2014, 02:49:56 PM

This going to sound douchy but, the best angle is the one the condition requires with your specs. The ball has too stop hooking and start rolling, ball that can roll the longest will have the better potential to strike more. Strokers don't have too much versatility to their game so Down and In is ideal and probably the easiest as there aren't many boards to cover. Now this doesn't mean that Strokers, are better, it just means they'll have less transitions and less ground to cover.
Drier conditions help the ball to roll which is why scores go up on dry patterns. Oil requires more surface and stronger balls to help the ball slow down and stop hooking. This why Strokers move in and wrap corners, they are not getting the ball to slow down fast enough to get into a roll so the ball is still hooking through the pins.
Everyone wants all this "continuation" and that's the reason they don't strike.

Agree, I prefer hook/stop balls, I can manage that shape more than all this "continuous" phenomenon. Continuous is the new buzz word for selling balls.

JustRico · « **Reply #10 on:** January 04, 2014, 04:59:43 PM »

Continuation as well as roll stop can both be misconceptions...both can create better carry as well as worse...it's understanding what the pins are telling you as much as anything. Bowling ball tells you what the lanes are doing and the pins will tell you what the bowling ball is doing.

Impending Doom · « **Reply #11 on:** January 04, 2014, 05:12:07 PM »

Quote from: JustRico on January 04, 2014, 04:59:43 PM

Continuation as well as roll stop can both be misconceptions...both can create better carry as well as worse...it's understanding what the pins are telling you as much as anything. Bowling ball tells you what the lanes are doing and the pins will tell you what the bowling ball is doing.

You should write a book!

tdub36tjt · « **Reply #12 on:** January 04, 2014, 05:28:36 PM »

A ball that rolls too soon will give u terrible carry.....

Rightycomplex · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2014, 09:09:06 PM »

Quote from: tdub36tjt on January 04, 2014, 05:28:36 PM

A ball that rolls too soon will give u terrible carry.....

False, once the ball start rolling, it increases your strike percentage. The ball is rolling forward instead of sideways.

tdub36tjt · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2014, 09:21:08 PM »

Quote from: Rightycomplex on January 04, 2014, 09:09:06 PM

Quote from: tdub36tjt on January 04, 2014, 05:28:36 PM
A ball that rolls too soon will give u terrible carry.....

False, once the ball start rolling, it increases your strike percentage. The ball is rolling forward instead of sideways.

So why ever throw anything other than a high end ball with 360 grit surface with the strongest possible layout?

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