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LuckyLefty

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They can still shoot Rubber can't they?
« on: April 09, 2017, 12:03:44 AM »
It seems in the last 10 years I have seen rubber on the PBA tour.

Didn't Danny Wiseman used to use rubber for his spare ball?  Once a ball was approved it is still approved right?

If you were to compare rubber, plastic, and urethane how would you rate them in order of strength?

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Re: They can still shoot Rubber can't they?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2017, 08:47:31 AM »
AFAIK, yes, they can.

HOWEVER, some of the places I have bowled in recent years have either banned, or tried/wanted to ban bowlers from using them.

 Seems as though the new synthetic lane surface doesn't like rubber bowling balls, and the balls leave dark "streaks" on the lane. The local center here (I live in a smallish east Texas city of around 15,000 people and one bowling center) has banned them entirely, even though they are technically still legal under USBC rules.

 I guess it might depend on the center.
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Re: They can still shoot Rubber can't they?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2017, 10:08:22 AM »
Actually only a certain super soft rubber compound used in the original LT 48 was a problem.  Most popular rubber balls from the pre plastic era were hard and would not leave black marks. 

As for how they hut, that is an interesting question. I still have an old bkack diamond from Brunswick.  I have used it several times over the past few years.  Best way to describe it is different.  Totally helpless on heavy long oil, but it reacts better than plastic on some liighter volumes. 

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Re: They can still shoot Rubber can't they?
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2017, 01:49:58 PM »
Fascinating,

Thank you for the answers both Juggernaut and Avabob.

So just to clarify only the LT 48 rubber tends to be a problem?  I just had a guy offer me two of them!  But they are the ones with the black marks on the lane, right?  I have recently observed urethane solids on a local shot and thought they were even supplying too much reaction!  Not so much the urethane pearl pitch blue.

Was wondering how great a rubber might look!  On these extreme house wet drys have you ever seen one use these ancient rubber pills with great results?

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Re: They can still shoot Rubber can't they?
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2017, 08:01:56 PM »
I can give you a couple of anecdotal experiences with my black diamond.  First occurred around 1994.  I was throwing excalibers and teal rhinos at the time.  I  got in a car wreck while out of town, and couldn't get any of my equipment home in time for league a couple of days later.  I went to the garage, and found that all I had was an old pair of shoes, an old yellow dot, and the black diamond.  I took them down to my money singles league figuring I might be able to do as well as taking my blind.  I tried the yellow dot first and really didn't get much reaction shooting about 630 for the first three.  I switched to the black diamond, and was actually able to move inside 10 board playing the track area of the synthetics.  I shot close to 700 the second 3 and actually won the sweeper for the night.  Historically hard rubber gave way to soft plastic because the plastic hit better.  However on these worn synthetics on a late shift the rubber ball read the the track very smoothly and seemed to be stronger than the yellow dot. 

A few years later we were bowling the last night of a league that we had already clinched.  I decided to take the black diamond down.  I started around 8 board and struggled to a 160 the first game on a house wall.  The second game I moved inside 10 board and again picked up the track and started striking.  I threw a 240 game.  The last game I started moving even further in, and couldn't over swing the ball if I tried.  Finished with a 260 game. 

I used the ball several times later, but these were far and away the most effective times.  Both were late shifts on heavily worn anvil lane synthetics.  Only other times it worked at all was way outside on very short patterns where even my urethane and plastic would over react.   

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Re: They can still shoot Rubber can't they?
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2017, 09:41:32 PM »
The main problems we have with rubber balls at the house I'm a manager at, is that they just sit and spin against the ball lift belt. We took all of the ones that were donated and tossed them, and try to get our older bowlers who own them to upgrade, by offering discounts when they do.

As for how they roll....I can't help ya there. I came around a little too late for that.

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Re: They can still shoot Rubber can't they?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2017, 10:18:03 AM »
I had almost forgotten, but way back, Brunswick returns sometimes would return hard rubber balls on super flooded lanes.  With the amount of oil being used today,bI could see the problem

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Re: They can still shoot Rubber can't they?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2017, 10:38:06 AM »
 I had several LT-48's back in the day, a couple of Black Beauties and Black Diamonds, two or three various AMF variants (including a Dick Weber 5 star and a Powerball) but my favorite was a Manhattan Rubber.

 One night during a four game set in a summer league, I shot a 175 first game with my Black Hammer, then sent my wife to the car to get the old Manhattan out for me. I proceeded to shoot 835 for the back three, for a 1010 four game set!

 Wish those last three games had been the first three!

 Back in the "short oil" era, I used it quite often, and it always seemed to give me a great look. Shot lots of 700 series with it, back when 700 was pretty darn good.

 The only ball in the "modern" era that I would say was better on its intended conditions was the Pink Hammer. (And I might STILL pick the Manhattan over it on the right shot)
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Re: They can still shoot Rubber can't they?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2017, 11:00:26 AM »
A couple more thoughts on rubber balls.  Bach the all ballsvwere three piece with a high density weight block just below the shell.  Plastic balls retained this structure, but not too long after the urethane revolution, Hammer introduced the 2 piece ball.  The modern 2 piece low rg construction matches up much better with today's softer shell balls.  For whatever reason, the old style 3 piece cores seem to ma tch up much better with the hard rubber

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Re: They can still shoot Rubber can't they?
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2017, 08:33:59 PM »
Thought I would mentioned that I had an AMF 3-dot Rubber ball that was not well made.  It seemed that it was constructed by molding 2 halves together somehow.  There was an obvious seam that went completely around the ball.  (Really noticeable under the right lighting conditions).

Cranking on it, it rolled like crap because it would hit the seam violently and you'd hear a "thud, thud" like it was hitting the thumbhole or something.  Throwing kill shots, you wouldn't notice it at all.

Wanted to resurface it to make it truly round, but no one would touch it for any amount of money.  (Burning rubber stinks like crazy and makes a god awful mess!)

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Re: They can still shoot Rubber can't they?
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2017, 10:28:55 AM »
I owned dozens of hard rubber balls including several AMF balls.  That's something I never ran in to.