Author Topic: Animal vs. Ultimate Inferno (Read 2293 times)

Kan_Man · « **on:** May 21, 2004, 12:45:41 AM »

Hey Everybody! I need a heavy oil ball and was thinking about these two balls. Has anyone thrown both of them? I would like to know your opinion on which ball you prefer and any tips you might have. Thanks for all your help in advance.
Steve

northface28 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 21, 2004, 03:51:29 PM »

I would go with the Ultimate Inferno. Rolls like a particle, hits like a shiny reactive. I have not seen too many Animals, so Im a little bias.
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Brian Green · « **Reply #2 on:** May 21, 2004, 03:55:42 PM »

i have them both and actually its a toss up between the 2.... it depends on what type of reaction you like..... the ultimate inferno has more of a pronounced midlane reaction and less of a violent backend reaction....... that doesnt mean the ultimate inferno doesnt hook ..... the one thing i like about it is that the ball is less voilent on the backends but yet still drives thru the pins.....

the animal on the other hand goes a longer and has a more angular backend than the inferno....... the animal hooks more on the backends and less in the midlane.......

both are really nice bowling balls it is just a matter of what type of hook profile you are looking for...

Brian

laufaye · « **Reply #3 on:** May 21, 2004, 04:45:51 PM »

I have Both, and agreed with Brian.

One thing to add, the Animal is very playable in medium conditions. But for the UI its kind of too much for medium.

If just for heavy oil, I'll pick UI between the 2.

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bamaster · « **Reply #4 on:** May 21, 2004, 05:05:41 PM »

Go with the Dyno-thane Anomaly!

Kan_Man · « **Reply #5 on:** May 21, 2004, 05:39:13 PM »

Thanks for everyones help. Anyone else have anything to add??
Steve

tenpinspro · « **Reply #6 on:** May 21, 2004, 07:05:25 PM »

Train Wreck

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Since the Animal is a 6 pc. core it is bowler specific. It is not a good ball for anyone with a slower ball speed or no hand.

Amazing conclusion TW, I guess the drill pattern, axis rotation and tilt of the individual mean "nothing" anymore right? If you don't mind, can you please elaborate on why a 6 pc "multi-density" core is not good for slower players or no hand? Are you personally familiar with the densities of each the hemispherical and wing attachments that are attached to the rev plate? If not, what brought you to this conclusion?

How much have you studied the effect of strong asymmetrical equipment in general? Do you know what the mass bias differential is that is needed to hold it's psa and how placement of that mass bias can be used to help players of all speeds, tilts, and rotations?

Please enlighten me.
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Walking E · « **Reply #7 on:** May 21, 2004, 07:09:58 PM »

Ian,
Does the UI really die quickly? I ask because Brunswick advertises that their Activator coverstock requires fewer cleanings and resurfacings. I realize that this could just be marketing spin, but I still believed it. ;-)

Speaking of cleaning, I have never used a cleaner on any of my equipment (they usually seem to last about 100 games or so), but I am getting a UI tomorrow and would like to take care of it. Is the best cleaner to use more ball-specific or more oil-specific? (For instance, would "Brand X" cleaner be best for Brunswick balls, or is Brand X cleaner designed to combat "Type A" oil?)
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #8 on:** May 21, 2004, 10:59:16 PM »

I have 2 Animals....one left with the factory surface and one sanded to 800grit. If you have a compound finish on the ball, as the Animal comes with (1000 grit compound), it is going to get down the lane better than a ball that is dull.

The Animal that I have sanded to 800 grit hooks more than any ball I have ever owned.....and I have owned MANY!!! Just finished 3rd in a tournament 3 weeks ago using the dull Animal. I had a HUGE area, everyone else that bowled on my pair (both days) had trouble getting their ball to move. I was playing 18-12, but I had room to miss out to 8. I say that, and 10 was out of bounds for everyone else.

I have had the Dynothane Anomaly....and I have an Ultimate Inferno. Neither of those hook as much as the Animal with the factory surface, let alone as much as the one thats dull. My Ultimte Inferno is probably 5-6 boards weaker than the factory Animal (and the drillings are similiar in strength). The Ultimate Inferno is actually weaker than my C300 Alter Ego and my Track Havoc. The Anomaly as slightly stronger than the Ultimate Inferno for me, but it still need clean backends.....or it would not move.

The Animal being bad for slower ball speeds or weaker hands...that cannot be the furthest from the truth. And this is because it is 6pc? It has 6 different densities in core. This helps make the core STRONGER....which is what a weaker hand needs. NOW...it could end up being too much ball for someone that has alot of hand and slow ball speed. HOWEVER...polish it up a hair if that is the case. I have drilled MANY Animals. The slower ball speed guys, and the weaker handed guys are the ones that are getting the best performance out of it. One of the major benefits of the Animal is how versatile it is. The asymmetrical core helps give you the reaction that you want....as long as the driller knows how to properly use layouts on this kind of ball.

SO.....just to shorten this post....there is nothing that works in oil like the Animal. NOTHING. I have even thrown the Super Carbide Bomb, it is no match for the Animal.

If you buy anything else for oil, you are wasting your money.
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #9 on:** May 22, 2004, 07:32:05 AM »

Ian,

I do apologize for the tone received in my initial message but I really canâ€™t understand how you come to the conclusion of a â€œsix piece weight blockâ€ being bad for the styles you mentioned. If this were the case, the next question asked would be, how many pieces do work for slower ball speeds and low revs? That was the point I was trying to make. I wasnâ€™t defending either company, as a matter of fact, I never did pick or choose a ball for Kan Man. I was still perplexed as to how you reached this summation from only one ball. I could even see if you felt the Animal in itself were not good for Kan Man but not the 6 piece design statement. This generalization of 6 pieces IMHO is not a fair one seeing that none of us really know the exact densities used to design the ball. This statement coming from a pro shop employee/PBA member can be very misleading and damaging, especially from those who trust your opinion. Does this mean the next generation of 6 piece weight blocks will still not work for slower speed or low rev players regardless of which company it is going to come from?

One small thing though, if you did see roll-out from the Animal and not the UI, wouldnâ€™t that mean the Animal actually needs heavier oil to be able to be useful, therefore being a better heavy oil ball which is what Kan Man was asking for? Plus his profile states he throws at 17-19 mph which is not slow in my books, there shouldnâ€™t be a problem of him rolling out then, right?

BTW, anyone can find me under Brunswick, Columbia, RotoGrip, and even Lane 1â€˜s respective websites. I do have more then one bed to sleep inâ€¦

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laufaye · « **Reply #10 on:** May 22, 2004, 01:22:40 PM »

This is not the first time we debate about the UI and Animal that which hooks more in heavy oil. Any we have different opinion and different results. Seems like this is not going to end, and I think this is also why I have both.

Kan man, maybe you can consider buying both, in any case they are great balls to have and you can always make it as 1-2 punch, since one being reactive and one being particle, and one with even arc and one with length/backend.

PS, I may try to sand the Animal to 800 and see what happen, thanks for the input from Ex.

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #11 on:** May 22, 2004, 02:11:42 PM »

Laufaye, the Animal at 800 works like a charm......HOWEVER....unless you are going to bowling on a good amount of oil, do not put that surface on it!!! I throw the ball with a lot of speed (see my profile), and I couldn't use it on a house shot. I just flat out moves too much.

I wanted to make one thing very clear....my knock on the Ultimate Inferno is not a knock on Brunswick by any means. I don't like Brunswick....I can say that over and over and not feel bad about that. HOWEVER....I have had the Inferno and the Raging Inferno and really liked them both. The Raging Inferno is a much better choice for oil than the Ultimate Inferno. I tried the Raging with the same surface as the Ultimate....... and it hooks much more. I liked the Raging so much, and heard how the Ultimate was supposed to be a heavy oil ball, that is why I bought the Ultimate. Figuring on what everyone had said about the Raging being a little weaker...I have identical layouts on each. The Raging recovers, and does decent in carrydown....the Ultimate does not.
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Kan_Man · « **Reply #12 on:** May 22, 2004, 03:27:06 PM »

Thanks to everyone for trying to help me out. I'm still trying to decide on what to do. I have a Ultimate Inferno on the way, but still haven't decided on whether or not to keep it. I make take laufaye advice and keep the UI and get the Animal and drill them both up. What layouts worked the best with both balls? And if I keep both will I see an overlap in the two balls? Thanks for all the help.
Steve

Phillip Marlowe · « **Reply #13 on:** May 22, 2004, 03:59:03 PM »

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According to the books, the Animal is the most hooking ball ever made.

The books are wrong. Look at the BTM review. Reasonable ball, in box, on medium oil -- albeit a bit pricey. It was not an oiler for me, or for several other folks I know. And we all have what folks here would call "hand" (for example, I tend to bowl with pearlized reactives, inside the oil line on what ya'll would call heavier oil). The ball seems to work better if: (1) you have a substantial degree of axis rotation, (2) your ball speed to revolution RATIO is low (i.e., lots of revs to ball speed) and (3) you dull it a bit.
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tsupra · « **Reply #14 on:** May 22, 2004, 07:14:31 PM »

I have been throwing a polished UI for about a month now and I think this ball is awesome, revs up very quick, gets thru the oil and makes a controllable arc in the back. I've seen people throw this ball out of the box and to me it doesn't hook much, so I decided to polish mine and man it rolls nice and when it hits the pins, they're done! If you get a UI I would recommend getting it polished, I throw the ball about 16-17 mph with med revs and this ball revs like I'm a high rev player with it polished. It does get dirty quick, so you'll have to clean it often. I have shot many 700's and 280+ games with this ball in a month's time. I just drilled a Uranium and it rolls very nice on oily lanes and crushes the pins. Goes a little longer and not as strong on the back as my UI but a awesome ball.

Author Topic: Animal vs. Ultimate Inferno (Read 2293 times)

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