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Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« on: September 07, 2007, 06:33:17 AM »
I went to the pro shop to buy a Toxic.  They sold me a Raid.  I don't know anything about the ball so this is not about the ball.  This was at The South Poiny in Las Vegas.

The ball out the dor with inserts and thumb slug was $251 dollars.

Buddies Pro shop has them for sale delivered for $126 and to have it drilled including thumb slug and inserts ($32) for a total of $158.  Thats over $90 dollars difference.


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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2007, 08:23:51 AM »
Thats why I buy online. $251 for a ball? An Ebonite ball at that? Nah bra.


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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2007, 09:04:35 AM »
BrunsRicOh,

I was complaining of the markup of the ball.  Buddies Pro Shop is also a pro shop.  I was not complainming about the service, the bowling establishment or the pro shop itself.
My point is, so many times this post comes up and those who are defending (though defending might not be the right word) pro shop prices and that the difference in price between going to a pro shop and buying on line savings was minamal, I just bought the point that at South Pointe I bought a ball that cost me $251 dollars out the door whereas if I bought it from Buddies and had it drilled here in San Diego at my pro shop, the ball would have cost me $158.

That saving is not minimal.

I bouight two Angers, two No Mercy Beat'ns and a Blue Vibe from Buddies.  Do you know the savings I had from buying the 5 bowling balls from Buddies pro shop and having them drilled here?

About $500.  no chump change.  I would have gotten two bowling balls from a pro shop like South Pointe for the same price as I got these five.




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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2007, 10:43:40 AM »
The truth is that everything in Vegas is expensive. The $9 buffet at the local Golden Corral is equivalent to the $16 one at a Vegas hotel. You're comparing internet pricing to the most expensive city in America. The guy in South point probably pays the highest pro shop rent in the country. And he has to make enough to pay the high cost of living in Vegas.

Oh yeah, the millions of Asian and European tourists that visit every year think his prices are a bargain compared to the pricing overseas.

You live in So Cal. Can't you find a good local shop with prices more to your liking?

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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2007, 10:49:59 AM »
No doubt, you paid top dollar for that ball.  But along with it you got their fitting expertise.  The analysis of your hand and change in finger pitches may well be worth the higher price.  You haven't said how the ball feels, reacts,  and if your finger joints feel better.  --  JohnP

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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2007, 11:05:02 AM »
Bottom line is the inernet retailers selling balls way too cheap, or they got it way too cheap, all manufacturers have to do something.  And drillers charging $30 to drill a ball is killing themself slowly.  I can say 90% of customers have no loyalty, they will go somewhere else to save $5 in a heart beat.  Better pricing structure is a must to keep the pro shop industry healthy.
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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2007, 11:38:23 AM »
quote:
No doubt, you paid top dollar for that ball.  But along with it you got their fitting expertise.  The analysis of your hand and change in finger pitches may well be worth the higher price.  You haven't said how the ball feels, reacts,  and if your finger joints feel better.  --  JohnP


You keep triumphing Buddies, when all they did when they got your order was call/email your order to one of the California distributors that they deal with and had the balls drop shipped to your door.  They never saw you, your hand, or those bowling balls.

I would also be willing to bet that Buddies charges more in their physical pro shop than the prices on their web site.

For someone as internet savvy as you Nicanor, why would you buy a ball at a pro shop you don't regularly frequent anyway?  Did you not ask the price before it was drilled?  For someone so worried about the price, these seem like legitimate questions.  Seems you would know that no Ebonite ball would cost more than a Lane 1 ball.

What any pro shop charges is their business.  It is the individual consumer's responsibility to decide if that price is reasonable or not.  Like Ric said, nobody held a gun to your head.

(Also seems you didn't need the ball to begin with, if you have two of these, two of those, and one of these from Buddies previously, then no doubt you have other balls also.  Maybe you could have spent the Raid $251 on some lessons to help you operate the other menagerie better???  Please see article on my web site)  Just a thought....

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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2007, 11:52:01 AM »
I always do my homework before making a purchase. If I buy from the local pro shop, then I have to take into consideration that I'm paying 8.1% sales tax on the purchase. If a ball is priced at $200 on the shelf, it's actually going to cost you $216 and change before you include the finger grips and thumb slug (which are also taxed). If I bring a blank ball, the charge is $50 for drilling, finger inserts and a thumb slug. I have a $20 threshold that I use to determine whether or not to purchase in the shop. If the difference between ordering online and getting in drilled in the shop or buying it in the shop isn't more than $20 then I won't mess with ordering it online.

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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2007, 11:58:43 AM »
Ric, my mistake. But, casinos are trying to generate a certain amount of revenue per square foot. It doesn't matter if it's gaming, dining, or bowling. If they don't generate that revenue with the pro shop, they will find something else that will.

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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2007, 01:40:56 PM »
NIC,  a decent price for that ball should be around $179-$189 drilled.
inserts and a slug,  maybe another $20.00

what i don't understand is why you are complaining about the cost of the ball, after the sale.  i am sure you have been online before!!!

if i walk into a golf shop and see a club for $299,  and buy it,  knowing that it is probably online for less,  whose fault is that???

now i believe you said drilled this ball would have been $158 from buddies, with inserts and a slug????  come on!!!!

maybe about $30 - $40 for drilling plus inserts and a slug!!!

and maybe you could answer this,  how do the online shops adjust your fit.

adjusting the thumb hole is probably the single most important part of getting a ball drilled!!!!

so how do they do that online????

complaining about how much you overpaid for this ball,  makes you look foolish
as a customer.  especially one that appears to know how to use the internet!!!

i would have said before buying the ball,  this price seems a little high.

i would not have bought it,  if i thought the price was out of line.

especially since it does sound like you use the internet!!!!

stores and shops post their prices,  customers usually buy, once they feel the price is reasonable,  the service is good, and the selection is good.

to buy something and then complain about the high cost,  seems a little odd to me,  especially since just about everyone on the planet knows how to shop online!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2007, 03:37:41 PM »
I don't understand why people who respond to my posts don't read the whole post.

I did not say that Buddies drills my bowlng balls.  I just said he sends them to me, this ball shipped for $126 and my local pro shop operator drills my bowling balls including vacu-grips and exectacator thumb slug for $32.  The pro shop I go to does not mind drilling internet bowling balls because they don't stock bowlng balls except maybe plastic and have them shipped to them as well.  This way the drill charge doesn't hurt because they have to keep inventory on hand.  Yes I understand and they understand that they make more money if they also sell the ball.

And again as I wrote earlier, I phrased the pro shop, pro shop operator and bowling center.  Maybe the after thought of letting them talk me out of the ball I wanted (Toxic) to buy a Raid I blame on myself.

The true fact and most has said it, South Pointe over charges.  Though is they can sell at that price, good for them.  They are smart business people.

Other then wanting the Toxic, I really wanted a ball to fit between my Anger and Blue Vibe.  They don't measure hands anymore, who are you kidding.  They want one of your old balls, take the measurements off of that and then use those measurements.

But I got what I asked for.  Like I said, I have no problem with the pro shop operator.  He seen my hand, said that my fingers weren't flexable enough to have forward pitch and put in reverse pitch in my fingers.  I went from 1/8 forward to 1/2 and 9/16 reverse.  Do I like the change.  I'll be honest, I threw the ball for about 4 games and didn't get the feel for the ball drilling or the ball reaction, but I think I will like the drilling.  The ball I don't know about.  They said the ball would be stronger then the Blue Vibe because of the ball/coverstock/weightblock plus the drilling being stronger but the Blue Vibe is at least 3 boards stronger then the Raid.  So if this continues to be true, I'm still looking for a ball between the Blue Vibe and the Anger.

I'll concede that it sounds like I was complaining about ball price as compared to Buddies price, but again if you read other posts, most say I paid too much for the ball.

The shelf price of the ball was $209.  Didn't think that out the door it was going to be $251.  Most list prices include drilling so taxes and the inserts was the difference.  I can understand that.

But going to the real reason that I posted orginally was to support internet sales if you have a pro shop that will drill the ball for a reasonabl;e price like where I have my bowling balls drilled.


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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2007, 03:53:42 PM »
nic,  if your pro shop will drill a top line ball with inserts and a slug for $32.  he should be on your christmas list.

that is a great deal.

if inserts are lets say $8, and a slug $10,  then your pro shop is drilling you a new ball for $14.

i would keep him happy,  does he play golf?  buy him some golf balls for his birthday!!!!

now back in the real world.  i don't know many pro shops that drill a new ball for $14.  especially a highend ball.

now as for your post,  it sure sounded like you said $126 from buddies, and to have it drilled, a total of $158.

kinda sorta sounds like you said that buddies was charging $32 to drill it.
thats wahy shelley wrote and said they charge more then that.

no where in your post did i get the impression that you where taking the ball to a local pro shop for drilling,  sorry.

back to the $32 drill charge

put your pro shop guy on your christmas list!!!!!
that is a great deal you are getting.

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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2007, 05:37:50 PM »
JLS,

He does golf. I don't.  But we have been on the same bowling team for several years including State and Nationals as well as both members of the San Diego Traveling Ambassadors to Bowling.

With that said, he drills others for 32 dollars a ball.  Most of us are repeat customers many times over but even for non repeat customers I think its only a couple of dollars more.

He charges me $5 dollars for an Exactacator thumb slug and really, what do finger inserts cost?

JLS and Shelly,

I re-read my initial post and I was very ambigious as to who drilled my bowling ball but if I hadn't written the post, I see where it seems to say that Buddies drills my bowling balls.

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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2007, 05:53:20 PM »
Slugs are less then $3 and inserts are under $1. $32 is still a great price though.


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nic,  if your pro shop will drill a top line ball with inserts and a slug for $32.  he should be on your christmas list.

that is a great deal.

if inserts are lets say $8, and a slug $10,  then your pro shop is drilling you a new ball for $14.

i would keep him happy,  does he play golf?  buy him some golf balls for his birthday!!!!

now back in the real world.  i don't know many pro shops that drill a new ball for $14.  especially a highend ball.

now as for your post,  it sure sounded like you said $126 from buddies, and to have it drilled, a total of $158.

kinda sorta sounds like you said that buddies was charging $32 to drill it.
thats wahy shelley wrote and said they charge more then that.

no where in your post did i get the impression that you where taking the ball to a local pro shop for drilling,  sorry.

back to the $32 drill charge

put your pro shop guy on your christmas list!!!!!
that is a great deal you are getting.

have a nice day
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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2007, 06:20:58 PM »
Its kinda funny that JLS bought up buying the pro shop operator Chritmas gifts.

One Christmas I bought him a top of the line putter and a couple of years later I bought him a Taylor Made Driver.  Through the years we have become friends though he still charges me to drilling and inserts and its the same price as most other repeat customers and I pay the bill with a smile




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Re: Another : Pro Shop Vs internet buying
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2007, 06:21:32 PM »
I feel for the pro shop operator. But I work to hard for my money to not take advantage of the prices on the internet. Over the last year I have purchased 3 top of the line bowling balls and had them drilled in town, on average I paided less than $130.00 for ball, drilling and inserts no slug. Recently there was another pro shop in town that went out of business and he too was charging about the same prices that are being mentioned here.
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