Post by: Nicanor on September 07, 2007, 06:33:17 AM
The ball out the dor with inserts and thumb slug was $251 dollars.
Buddies Pro shop has them for sale delivered for $126 and to have it drilled including thumb slug and inserts ($32) for a total of $158. Thats over $90 dollars difference.
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Post by: BrunsNick on September 07, 2007, 02:43:37 PM
If I sold that ball in my shop, it'd go for 199.95 +tx, grips/slug included. Seems like you just went to a higher priced shop.
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Post by: shelley on September 07, 2007, 02:46:33 PM
I agree that the Raid for $250 is very high. Even our shop here doesn't charge that much. The Raid is just below the high price line, here it would probably be close to $180-190.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on September 07, 2007, 03:00:42 PM
K & K Bowling Services is number 1 here for good reason's, the corporate casino's shops are run by time clock puncher's who cannot give anyone a deal without risk of being canned. I know a kid that went to work for a shop recently at new bowling center and he is drilling after 3 weeks by himself, talk about a joke nice young man but over his head.
Post by: mrbowlingnut on September 07, 2007, 03:02:19 PM
Post by: jkiser01 on September 07, 2007, 03:03:51 PM
My pro shop sells that ball for $169.95 drilled + $20 for grips and a slug.. He sells all high performance balls like the NVS, Rising or Resurgence for $199.95 drilled plus grips and slug..
He also charges $40 to drill an internet ball, but for me its alot less than that because I have so much stuff drilled there.. He also welcomes interbet ball drills with opeen arms.. He is not a jerk like alot of pro shops..
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Post by: Nicanor on September 07, 2007, 03:15:08 PM
I buy the bowling balls from Buddies and he ships them to CA no shipping charge and since its out of state, no taxes
The ball was $209. So I didn't feel bad, but when the slug, grips and tax came in, it was 250. I know I shouldn't have been talked into a ball I knew nothing about. I was trying to get a professionals opinion of a ball that would fit between the Anger and the Blue Vibe.
The pro shop operator that drills my bowling equipment is 74. Old school. Drills bowling balls to perfection, but does not keep up on the bowling ball market and says he won't. Bring him a ball, he'll drill it.
The pro shop operators said my bowling balls had too much forward finger pitch and my fingers are NOT flexable. So they recommended some reverse. I think it was 1/2 and 9/16. And that was the real reason I went to another pro shop. To get a second opinion about my span and finger pitches. Kept the span the same, but put some reverse pitch in the fingers.
Thanks for the feedback and I will scuff up thye surface a touch as recommended.
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Post by: Bowler_81 on September 07, 2007, 03:48:54 PM
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very stupid consumers.
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Post by: Nicanor on September 07, 2007, 06:29:40 PM
So I guess you don't mind paying $4.00 a gallon for gasoline? I mean the people all through the gasoline industry want to make a good return on their investment, right?
I did know what they were asking for the ball, $209. Didn't think the end price would have been $251. Also, I did not know at the time it was a mid priced ball that I could have gotten from Buddies for $126.
The pro shop was very nice and th operators very professional. Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming the establishment at all. As you have read, some sell this ball for $169 dollars drilled.
The bowling center itself is beautiful. Didn't get a chance to bowl there because I was on a RON to see my sister before she flew back to NJ.
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Edited on 9/7/2007 6:32 PM
Post by: laufaye on September 08, 2007, 01:39:40 AM
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The days of the $30 drilling are soon to be long gone.
Maybe where you live, but not entirely true where others live. The price of drilling will always vary in price just like it does now, depending on availabilty and competition.
The prices vary is also depends on what you get, directly reflects how much time a driller spend on you, depends on when a quality driller starts to realize he/she is undercharge.
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Post by: Nicanor on September 08, 2007, 09:04:35 AM
I was complaining of the markup of the ball. Buddies Pro Shop is also a pro shop. I was not complainming about the service, the bowling establishment or the pro shop itself.
My point is, so many times this post comes up and those who are defending (though defending might not be the right word) pro shop prices and that the difference in price between going to a pro shop and buying on line savings was minamal, I just bought the point that at South Pointe I bought a ball that cost me $251 dollars out the door whereas if I bought it from Buddies and had it drilled here in San Diego at my pro shop, the ball would have cost me $158.
That saving is not minimal.
I bouight two Angers, two No Mercy Beat'ns and a Blue Vibe from Buddies. Do you know the savings I had from buying the 5 bowling balls from Buddies pro shop and having them drilled here?
About $500. no chump change. I would have gotten two bowling balls from a pro shop like South Pointe for the same price as I got these five.
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Post by: BW on September 08, 2007, 10:43:40 AM
Oh yeah, the millions of Asian and European tourists that visit every year think his prices are a bargain compared to the pricing overseas.
You live in So Cal. Can't you find a good local shop with prices more to your liking?
Post by: JohnP on September 08, 2007, 10:49:59 AM
Post by: laufaye on September 08, 2007, 11:05:02 AM
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Post by: Mike Austin on September 08, 2007, 11:38:23 AM
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No doubt, you paid top dollar for that ball. But along with it you got their fitting expertise. The analysis of your hand and change in finger pitches may well be worth the higher price. You haven't said how the ball feels, reacts, and if your finger joints feel better. -- JohnP
You keep triumphing Buddies, when all they did when they got your order was call/email your order to one of the California distributors that they deal with and had the balls drop shipped to your door. They never saw you, your hand, or those bowling balls.
I would also be willing to bet that Buddies charges more in their physical pro shop than the prices on their web site.
For someone as internet savvy as you Nicanor, why would you buy a ball at a pro shop you don't regularly frequent anyway? Did you not ask the price before it was drilled? For someone so worried about the price, these seem like legitimate questions. Seems you would know that no Ebonite ball would cost more than a Lane 1 ball.
What any pro shop charges is their business. It is the individual consumer's responsibility to decide if that price is reasonable or not. Like Ric said, nobody held a gun to your head.
(Also seems you didn't need the ball to begin with, if you have two of these, two of those, and one of these from Buddies previously, then no doubt you have other balls also. Maybe you could have spent the Raid $251 on some lessons to help you operate the other menagerie better??? Please see article on my web site) Just a thought....
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Post by: someguyintucson on September 08, 2007, 11:52:01 AM
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Post by: jls on September 08, 2007, 01:40:56 PM
inserts and a slug, maybe another $20.00
what i don't understand is why you are complaining about the cost of the ball, after the sale. i am sure you have been online before!!!
if i walk into a golf shop and see a club for $299, and buy it, knowing that it is probably online for less, whose fault is that???
now i believe you said drilled this ball would have been $158 from buddies, with inserts and a slug???? come on!!!!
maybe about $30 - $40 for drilling plus inserts and a slug!!!
and maybe you could answer this, how do the online shops adjust your fit.
adjusting the thumb hole is probably the single most important part of getting a ball drilled!!!!
so how do they do that online????
complaining about how much you overpaid for this ball, makes you look foolish
as a customer. especially one that appears to know how to use the internet!!!
i would have said before buying the ball, this price seems a little high.
i would not have bought it, if i thought the price was out of line.
especially since it does sound like you use the internet!!!!
stores and shops post their prices, customers usually buy, once they feel the price is reasonable, the service is good, and the selection is good.
to buy something and then complain about the high cost, seems a little odd to me, especially since just about everyone on the planet knows how to shop online!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry
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Post by: Nicanor on September 08, 2007, 03:37:41 PM
I did not say that Buddies drills my bowlng balls. I just said he sends them to me, this ball shipped for $126 and my local pro shop operator drills my bowling balls including vacu-grips and exectacator thumb slug for $32. The pro shop I go to does not mind drilling internet bowling balls because they don't stock bowlng balls except maybe plastic and have them shipped to them as well. This way the drill charge doesn't hurt because they have to keep inventory on hand. Yes I understand and they understand that they make more money if they also sell the ball.
And again as I wrote earlier, I phrased the pro shop, pro shop operator and bowling center. Maybe the after thought of letting them talk me out of the ball I wanted (Toxic) to buy a Raid I blame on myself.
The true fact and most has said it, South Pointe over charges. Though is they can sell at that price, good for them. They are smart business people.
Other then wanting the Toxic, I really wanted a ball to fit between my Anger and Blue Vibe. They don't measure hands anymore, who are you kidding. They want one of your old balls, take the measurements off of that and then use those measurements.
But I got what I asked for. Like I said, I have no problem with the pro shop operator. He seen my hand, said that my fingers weren't flexable enough to have forward pitch and put in reverse pitch in my fingers. I went from 1/8 forward to 1/2 and 9/16 reverse. Do I like the change. I'll be honest, I threw the ball for about 4 games and didn't get the feel for the ball drilling or the ball reaction, but I think I will like the drilling. The ball I don't know about. They said the ball would be stronger then the Blue Vibe because of the ball/coverstock/weightblock plus the drilling being stronger but the Blue Vibe is at least 3 boards stronger then the Raid. So if this continues to be true, I'm still looking for a ball between the Blue Vibe and the Anger.
I'll concede that it sounds like I was complaining about ball price as compared to Buddies price, but again if you read other posts, most say I paid too much for the ball.
The shelf price of the ball was $209. Didn't think that out the door it was going to be $251. Most list prices include drilling so taxes and the inserts was the difference. I can understand that.
But going to the real reason that I posted orginally was to support internet sales if you have a pro shop that will drill the ball for a reasonabl;e price like where I have my bowling balls drilled.
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Post by: jls on September 08, 2007, 03:53:42 PM
that is a great deal.
if inserts are lets say $8, and a slug $10, then your pro shop is drilling you a new ball for $14.
i would keep him happy, does he play golf? buy him some golf balls for his birthday!!!!
now back in the real world. i don't know many pro shops that drill a new ball for $14. especially a highend ball.
now as for your post, it sure sounded like you said $126 from buddies, and to have it drilled, a total of $158.
kinda sorta sounds like you said that buddies was charging $32 to drill it.
thats wahy shelley wrote and said they charge more then that.
no where in your post did i get the impression that you where taking the ball to a local pro shop for drilling, sorry.
back to the $32 drill charge
put your pro shop guy on your christmas list!!!!!
that is a great deal you are getting.
have a nice day
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Post by: Nicanor on September 08, 2007, 05:37:50 PM
He does golf. I don't. But we have been on the same bowling team for several years including State and Nationals as well as both members of the San Diego Traveling Ambassadors to Bowling.
With that said, he drills others for 32 dollars a ball. Most of us are repeat customers many times over but even for non repeat customers I think its only a couple of dollars more.
He charges me $5 dollars for an Exactacator thumb slug and really, what do finger inserts cost?
JLS and Shelly,
I re-read my initial post and I was very ambigious as to who drilled my bowling ball but if I hadn't written the post, I see where it seems to say that Buddies drills my bowling balls.
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Post by: johns811 on September 08, 2007, 05:53:20 PM
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nic, if your pro shop will drill a top line ball with inserts and a slug for $32. he should be on your christmas list.
that is a great deal.
if inserts are lets say $8, and a slug $10, then your pro shop is drilling you a new ball for $14.
i would keep him happy, does he play golf? buy him some golf balls for his birthday!!!!
now back in the real world. i don't know many pro shops that drill a new ball for $14. especially a highend ball.
now as for your post, it sure sounded like you said $126 from buddies, and to have it drilled, a total of $158.
kinda sorta sounds like you said that buddies was charging $32 to drill it.
thats wahy shelley wrote and said they charge more then that.
no where in your post did i get the impression that you where taking the ball to a local pro shop for drilling, sorry.
back to the $32 drill charge
put your pro shop guy on your christmas list!!!!!
that is a great deal you are getting.
have a nice day
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Post by: Nicanor on September 08, 2007, 06:20:58 PM
One Christmas I bought him a top of the line putter and a couple of years later I bought him a Taylor Made Driver. Through the years we have become friends though he still charges me to drilling and inserts and its the same price as most other repeat customers and I pay the bill with a smile
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Post by: SpareK on September 08, 2007, 06:21:32 PM
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Post by: RealBowler on September 08, 2007, 10:13:54 PM
I hear that ball is under $100 to the shop. I understand the need for a markup, but that ball is under $179 drilled in the shops around here (grips, slugs and tax are extra).
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on September 09, 2007, 12:19:02 AM
South Point is high priced i like the bowling center there, not bowling there this year.
My teamate had a ball chewed up by a pin in the chute they replaced the ball for free but charged him for drilling, guess what 91.00 for blank drilling,grips and thumb slug. They made back most of there money for the ball, so they are there to make money not friends.
The ball was a Black Widow solid btw.
Post by: RealBowler on September 09, 2007, 12:40:56 AM
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That ball is 113.00 at Cal bowling supply not under a 100.00 as stated above, yes you paid too much. It is a high mid line release not midline like the clash or gamebreaker.
South Point is high priced i like the bowling center there, not bowling there this year.
My teamate had a ball chewed up by a pin in the chute they replaced the ball for free but charged him for drilling, guess what 91.00 for blank drilling,grips and thumb slug. They made back most of there money for the ball, so they are there to make money not friends.
The ball was a Black Widow solid btw.
Sorry, I was mistaken on the price. I was thinking about the Gamebreaker. Too many new releases to keep track of.
That would put the Gamebreaker in the $150-175 range, and the Raid in the $165-190 range (drilled, not including grips, slug, tax).
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