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Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« on: June 12, 2015, 11:02:52 PM »
Heard something interesting today at the lanes.  Our center has Twister pins and have had them for about four years now.  Our center also does not have a proshop so many bowlers here will travel to Tucson to visit a proshop.

One of the leading proshops in Tucson has said that our Twister pins are the reason for so many bowling balls cracking.  He is getting too many of them and complained to our center about it.

I have heard of many reasons for balls cracking but this is a new one for me.  Anyone else heard of this?

I personally have not had a bowling ball crack since they started using the Twister pins.

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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2015, 07:07:23 AM »
 Haven't heard that one.  Guess that would depend on the COR rating of the pins being significantly different than wooden pins, and I don't think the USBC would allow too much difference.

 Sounds more like sour grapes than anything else.

 Maybe he's just tired of chasing warranties for replacement equipment. If so, he will try to blame it on anything except the equipment or the manufacturer.
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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2015, 07:44:05 AM »
I'd love to hear a physical or chemical reason why Twister pins would cause a ball to crack.

I am not fond of them. My one experience with them at Nationals 8 or 10 years back has them flying off the pin deck in an almost irrational manner. Certain hits left the oddest spares combinations. I wonder if production processes have changed inthe making of Twister pins since then.
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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2015, 12:25:58 PM »
Second generation of Twisters sounded somewhat different than the first generation used in Reno in 2001.  Not sure what change they made.  Still not at all a fan of them, and never talked to anyone who liked them.  Still it is hard to see how they could have any impact on ball shell cracking.  I bowled quite a bit on them during the winter at East Mesa Bowl over the last 7 years.  Never had a ball crack, and never heard of problems when I talked to the pro shop guys there. 

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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2015, 03:43:00 PM »
I just found that this issue has been posted on Facebook.  I don't have an account for Facebook so I can't read all of what was written about this.  Here is a link for those who do have Facebook accounts.


https://www.facebook.com/DesertLanes1#!

« Last Edit: June 13, 2015, 04:03:06 PM by MI 2 AZ »
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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2015, 06:37:45 PM »
are twister pins heavier or something i know they supposedly last longer due to the material use to make it but i dont understand how can it cracks balls. if anything gold pins should crack balls right.

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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2015, 07:09:47 PM »
are twister pins heavier or something i know they supposedly last longer due to the material use to make it but i dont understand how can it cracks balls. if anything gold pins should crack balls right.

No. Resin is so much harder than the plastic from which Twister pins are made
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the plastic used to coat the wood of "normal" pins.
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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2015, 07:29:19 PM »
For those not on Facebook, this is what was said:
(to cut to the chase see The Twister Pin Issue (Part 2) below)

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The Twister Pin Issue

I’ve been approached many times about our center using Twister pins in our machines. Just recently this issue has come to a head with a visit from a concerned league bowler presenting a genuine dislike for the twisters due to possible ball damage caused by them. Evidently, a Pro shop where some of our bowlers purchase their equipment, had been told that ball companies were not going to honor their warranties no more for balls that are used in houses that have Twister pins. This statement kind of bothered me. That ball companies and or Pro Shops would not honor their written warranties. Especially, when Twister pins are USBC certified the same way Amflite or a Max wooden pins are.

I wanted to do some research on the internet to see if there were tests done or complaints by other league bowlers about Twister pins destroying their equipment. When I typed in why do bowling balls crack and a lot of topics came up. I looked at all the topics why balls crack and none of the reasons were because of Twister pins. Here is a few reasons given on why they do..

This info was from taken from bowlers in Ball Reviews and the Bowling Ball Exchange.

Balls crack due to………..
*Quickening the curing process to get balls into the marketplace.
*Because the companies do not let them cure long enough once the ball is drilled it becomes brittle.
*Reaction of the glue to the shell of the ball.
*Pro shops using dull bits to drill.
*Pro shops drilling to fast.
*Pro shops drilling holes too close to the pin of the ball that is less than an inch from the finger holes.
*Pro shops not beveling the finger holes.
*Temperature from hot to cold and/or humidity.
*Balls that are laying around for long periods of time without moving. Since the core is big and heavy it’ll settle and cause it to crack. Rotating balls you store a quarter of a turn every few weeks.
*Cover stock failure in balls stored in open air exposure. Recommending plastic wrap or plastic bags with twist ties to insulate the cover stock from the air.

We put the Twisters in Desert Lanes only because it made good business sense not to mess with the league bowler. Twister Pins are different. They do act like new wood pins all year round and do not soften when there is a lot of linage bowled on them. Yes, on the internet the Twister pins are beaten up on reviews from bowlers because it makes the game either too high or too low scoring. They constantly leave flat tens or washouts but I did not find any conclusive evidence that Twister Pins cause ball damage.

In summary, Bowlers who do not store the ball properly or there is a case improper use then I can understand why the warranty should not be in place. Anything else should be the responsibility of the ball company and or pro shops to continue honoring thier warranties to replace the initial problem "The Defective Ball."

The Twister Pin Issue (Part 2)
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The Twister Pin Issue (Part 2)

The conclusion to the Twister Pin Issue. Today, I have called two ball companies Motiv and Storm. Both representitives were very professional and willing to help when I posed two questions about ball damage caused by twister pins. Motiv asked me what are twister pins and Storm said that story is a myth. The only two ways that a ball can crack is if there is a problem with the manufacturing of the ball or there is a problem on how the ball was drilled. If a bowler has a crack in thier ball, I would recomend contacting the wonderful sales people from the "Ball Companies" and ask them... My Bowling Ball is damaged and I'm still within my warranty.What steps do I need to take. They will tell you to take a picture of the damage, your sales reciept and the serial number of the ball and send it to them. So, they can determine the cause of the damage and who is at fault. That way you don't have to take anyones word for it.

The "Expert" is out.

It almost sounds like someone over at the over house where the pro shop is,  was just dumping on this house.

You know, like "Hey don't bowl there. Their pins will tear up your balls, come bowl here."
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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2015, 07:49:03 PM »
The pro shop and Desert Lanes are about 75 miles apart.
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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2015, 07:53:10 PM »
Agree on the dumping issue. In bowling it takes one person who heard from a person who heard from a proshop employee "insert dumb rumor of no basis" and then people start running around preaching it like gospel.

My biggest complaint I see with many proshop is very little bevel on finger holes where inserts are added and or weight holes. all fun and games till it cracks out or hangs up and gets damaged by one of the machines.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2015, 07:25:32 PM »
How would one know if the pins a center is using are these "Twister" pins?

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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2015, 07:38:38 PM »
How would one know if the pins a center is using are these "Twister" pins?

Easy just ask, Also They have the name printed on them.

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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2015, 11:57:46 AM »
"...Motiv asked me what are twister pins and Storm said that story is a myth...."

Wait...how could Motiv not know about Twister pins?  I find that really hard to believe.

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Re: Another Reason For Balls Cracking?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2015, 01:31:08 AM »
Balls knock down pins, not the other way around.  Balls should be able to withstand the "abuse" of tipping something over that weighs 3.5 lbs and has a small base...  This whole idea just doesn't seem plausible in my mind. ::)