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dave300

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Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« on: January 01, 2010, 04:51:14 AM »
I'm curious how many people use this style of grip? What is the pros/cons? Thinking about drilling a ball up using this grip. I'd like to try and knock off a few revs without changing my release much....

 

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2010, 01:16:28 PM »
i used it for several years and had very good success with it. for me i used it to control my ball reaction and keep me comming up the back of the ball. i was recovering from a very bad shoulder injury that took several years to fully recover. so i had to deal with major rev dominat style and it helped me to control it

LotsaBalls

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2010, 03:12:24 PM »
I have used it for 3 years now with a lot of sucsess. I lost some revs a first but once I got use to the grip they came back. The biggest thing it did for me was lower my tilt and soften my backend reaction allowing me to play smaller angles and closer to the friction without chance of over reaction. I say its worth a try, plug up an old ball and give it a shot.

I am sellin a fast with a few games on it if your intersested in trying.

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2010, 03:19:44 PM »
Are there guideline for the placement of the conventional hole? I think that would be good information for anyone thinking of trying it. Pitches on that hole too.
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ralphiejantz

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2010, 03:52:08 PM »
I dont think the grip really takes away too many revolutions which I think is a common misconception with this grip
it more or less changes your axis rotation and axis tilt and makes a more controllable reaction if you are having problems with over reaction due to your axis tilt and axis rotation,
you might at first take a few revs off of your game but the revs themselves is not what really makes the difference in the reaction,
its the change in your axis rotation

bighook69

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2010, 05:32:36 PM »
have used it for just over a year... I feel that it allows the ball to sit more on the ring/pinky finger side of my hand, not cutting down my revs but rather altering my ball roll (as the other guys have said) into more of a forward roll, allowing for the cleaner transition on the break.

I also find that now it is now VERY hard to be consistent with using fingertip...

Edited on 1/3/2010 2:24 AM

dave300

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2010, 06:31:32 PM »
Sounds like what I need! I've been having a problem at the breakpoint with the ball just taken off. I've tried changing the suface on a few balls but didn't really like the results. I had a plugged up python I just drilled it up Sarge, heading out to give it a try....

snowspike1

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2010, 10:02:21 PM »
might have to look into this myself then...

I've been having a launch off the bp with m equip also.  Even my "weakest" ball (dont use plastic).

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2010, 09:44:54 AM »
The link below takes you to "BrunsNick on Sarge Easter", read it before you drill.  --  JohnP

http://www.brunsnick.com/sarge_easter_grip.html

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2010, 12:25:43 PM »
What are everyone's ideas about the lateral placement of the conventional hole?

In Brunsnick's photo it looks like they both touch the center-line of the grip. I tried one once the had the gap of a standard bridge and it felt pretty uncomfortable that way.
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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2010, 06:35:36 PM »
Dave -- You're right, the picture does look like the holes are close to if not touching the centerline, but that could be an optical illusion caused by the picture.  Look up BrunsNick's E-mail address or PM him here on BR and ask him, he usually responds within a few days.  You can look his information up in the Users List.  --  JohnP

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2010, 11:49:44 PM »
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What are everyone's ideas about the lateral placement of the conventional hole?

In Brunsnick's photo it looks like they both touch the center-line of the grip. I tried one once the had the gap of a standard bridge and it felt pretty uncomfortable that way.
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What are you using for pitches in the ring finger

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2010, 12:15:25 AM »
I just want to interject one thing that hasn't been brought up here yet and that is whether or not to switch completely to Sarge Easter.

I have 3 balls drilled Sarge Easter, one pearl, one with surface, and one benchmark.  I use these to help me come up the back of the ball and play straighter stronger rolling lines on the lanes.  In my opinion the Sarge Easter drill is not something to be used as your only layout for several reasons.  Mainly because of the strain it puts on the tendons in your hand.  Even though it may not feel this way you are definitely relying on a lot more muscle mass in your wrist and middle finger.  Since your middle finger controls a lot of the movement and tendon use in your hands this can be very hazardous to developing issues in those areas.

Next, Sarge Easter greatly reduces the amount of tilt you can put into a ball.  This doesn't mean lowering revs, just lessening of the axis tilt you have.  Unless you have extremely large hands or very powerful tendons (again more stress on your hand) then you'll struggle to move inside with these drills to come all the way around the ball.  At least for me that is.

I find it's a great layout to use to re-train your hand to stay behind the ball.  After switching from Sarge Easter to regular finger tip you'll find yourself revving and controling the tilt and release a heck of a lot more.  I use it as a training tool for my muscle memory and not as a replacement for my drillings.

Just some food for thought, I hope this helps!

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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2010, 02:15:07 AM »
With that last entry i take it then if i already have a low tilt (i'd say not more than 10 degs.) then this wouldn't be advised?


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Re: Any Sarge Easter users out there?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2010, 08:25:12 PM »
No not at all, it won't remove from tilt that is already low, it will just emphasize for it.  

In my experience I find that I can't truly get tilt on a Sarge Easter drill without giving up revolutions, however I get incredible natural revolution with very high tilt with this.  I regularly tilt very little and track very high, Sarge Easter doesn't make it any worse for me it just helps me roll the ball more.