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DukeHarding

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Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« on: July 28, 2009, 05:44:32 AM »
Just wondering?
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DukeHarding

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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2009, 09:18:08 AM »
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Personally I switched because I couldn't get the pain of a tendon in my thumb/wrist to go away.  This was after multiple trips to doctors, shots to the wrist area, etc.  I could not pick up a ball with my thumb in it.  Bowling two handed was a way to bowl pain free.

Also, many people might choose to bowl two handed because they enjoy it.  Bowling is supposed to be fun right?  A lot of people like to watch pins fly around.  Not everyone has dreams of joining the PBA one day.

Also, 90% of the people on this board bowl ONLY house shots... where the extra power is probably more beneficial than the accuracy.
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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2009, 09:25:52 AM »
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The two handed technique is nothing more than a modified no thumb toss..
A more accurate, consistent modification.  In other words, an improvement.  What's wrong with that?

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It will never be as accurate and as good as the right way to bowl.
And you know this is true because...?

I've never personally given two-handed a try, but we've had a handful of the better bowlers in my city throwing two handed for years even before Belmonte made it "cool."  If you do it properly, you can be pretty accurate and consistent doing it, and the increased revs gives you more room to miss and still carry, so the loss in accuracy is countered by the increase in the apparent size of the pocket.  There are many people, however, who have no ability to repeat shots when throwing two-handed because they have the basic principles of it wrong.
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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2009, 10:10:08 AM »
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The two handed technique is nothing more than a modified no thumb toss..
A more accurate, consistent modification.  In other words, an improvement.  What's wrong with that?

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It will never be as accurate and as good as the right way to bowl.
And you know this is true because...?

I've never personally given two-handed a try, but we've had a handful of the better bowlers in my city throwing two handed for years even before Belmonte made it "cool."  If you do it properly, you can be pretty accurate and consistent doing it, and the increased revs gives you more room to miss and still carry, so the loss in accuracy is countered by the increase in the apparent size of the pocket.  There are many people, however, who have no ability to repeat shots when throwing two-handed because they have the basic principles of it wrong.



I guess.. I was just ranting.. if it helps someone because you have pain throwing the normal way than go for it..

I don't know if it is a more accurate and consistant modification..  I'm not sure the second hand does much of anything. Maybe hold the ball a little steadier or in line.. so I'll give you that.

so you've convinced me.. I hope to see it everywhere..

It is just something I did late at night with the bowling alley staff screwing around.. along with bowling through my legs , hopping off the ball return and other screwy things we did during late night bowling horse.

I just don't think it will be proven over time or Belmonte will do well next year.  I have just seen him call some shots and think some shots were good that weren't even close.  You should know your game and release more than that..

but I am usually wrong about everything.. so everyone might be bowling that way in 20 years.


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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2009, 09:40:36 PM »
Hey there Duke,

I currently have a couple of students that I'm coaching out here in Hawaii on this new coming of age style.  I've been messing with it for little over 15 years now, but just recently went seriously competitive with it over the last 4 years.  I have some videos on YouTube if you would like to see my style of the two handed form.  Mentally it is very similar to a one handed style, obviously physically it is WAY different due to the mechanics of the approach.  As in anything will just take many hours of practice to see what YOUR comfortable with and then just adjust accordingly to find out how you can become more consistent with it.  Feel free to send over any questions and I'd love to do my best to answer them.

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DukeHarding

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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2009, 10:50:01 PM »
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Hey there Duke,

I currently have a couple of students that I'm coaching out here in Hawaii on this new coming of age style.  I've been messing with it for little over 15 years now, but just recently went seriously competitive with it over the last 4 years.  I have some videos on YouTube if you would like to see my style of the two handed form.  Mentally it is very similar to a one handed style, obviously physically it is WAY different due to the mechanics of the approach.  As in anything will just take many hours of practice to see what YOUR comfortable with and then just adjust accordingly to find out how you can become more consistent with it.  Feel free to send over any questions and I'd love to do my best to answer them.

Aloha,
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Edited on 8/19/2009 9:51 PM


Justin,
Thanks...Where can I see the Youtubes (link)?

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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2009, 11:29:15 PM »
Think of the old locked elbow technique but with your left arm supporting the most of the weight of the ball.  You swing becomes much more like a golf swing then a bowling swing because it is done through your lower body and shoulders.
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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2009, 12:05:46 AM »
I mess around open bowling once in a while doing two handed maybe two games out of five, it is a blast you will not gain alot more revs but you will gain a clean release that makes even my Lane 1 plastic buzzsaw cover 30 boards.

I go from an up the boards guy to 5 th arrow, to young guns this is nothing but to an old fat azz like me it just plain fun. I think If i shot spares 3 fingers and went two handed i might lose 4-5 pins a game total in average from around 210.

It is weapon to be learned i have used it and loft game to keep me in play when lanes are blown out, gives you a C and D game.
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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2009, 03:23:35 AM »
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The two handed technique is nothing more than a modified no thumb toss..
A more accurate, consistent modification.  In other words, an improvement.  What's wrong with that?


Agreed, due to being able to control the way the ball is held through out the whole swing and not just basing it off the balance of palming it in one hand, it creates higher percentage of accuracy and power going down the lane.

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It will never be as accurate and as good as the right way to bowl.And you know this is true because...?


Like any style or approach to any sport or activity, anything can be mastered or become better with time and effort, even  the accuracy of a bowling ball being thrown 2 handed.  I've actually astonished proshop owners on how accurate I am with the 2 hand style by utilization of technology to register such stats.  


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TheNewRevolution

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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2009, 03:32:20 AM »
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Hey there Duke,

I currently have a couple of students that I'm coaching out here in Hawaii on this new coming of age style.  I've been messing with it for little over 15 years now, but just recently went seriously competitive with it over the last 4 years.  I have some videos on YouTube if you would like to see my style of the two handed form.  Mentally it is very similar to a one handed style, obviously physically it is WAY different due to the mechanics of the approach.  As in anything will just take many hours of practice to see what YOUR comfortable with and then just adjust accordingly to find out how you can become more consistent with it.  Feel free to send over any questions and I'd love to do my best to answer them.

Aloha,
Justin Stevens
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Edited on 8/19/2009 9:51 PM


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Justin,
Thanks...Where can I see the Youtubes (link)?

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Hey Duke,

Here's a few links of me bowling with the 2-handed style.  These are of a local TV tournament they hold out here on the islands.  When you make the top 5 finalist, then you compete in stepladder finals.  Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MslBO5jo6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhgsZF697E8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwti_SwV-hw

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DukeHarding

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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2009, 09:12:33 AM »
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Hey there Duke,

I currently have a couple of students that I'm coaching out here in Hawaii on this new coming of age style.  I've been messing with it for little over 15 years now, but just recently went seriously competitive with it over the last 4 years.  I have some videos on YouTube if you would like to see my style of the two handed form.  Mentally it is very similar to a one handed style, obviously physically it is WAY different due to the mechanics of the approach.  As in anything will just take many hours of practice to see what YOUR comfortable with and then just adjust accordingly to find out how you can become more consistent with it.  Feel free to send over any questions and I'd love to do my best to answer them.

Aloha,
Justin Stevens
Hawaiian 2-Handed Phenom.
2009 Hickam West/Northwest Regional Champion
Avg.: 239
www.StevensVIEW.com

Edited on 8/19/2009 9:51 PM


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Justin,
Thanks...Where can I see the Youtubes (link)?

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Hey Duke,

Here's a few links of me bowling with the 2-handed style.  These are of a local TV tournament they hold out here on the islands.  When you make the top 5 finalist, then you compete in stepladder finals.  Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MslBO5jo6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhgsZF697E8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwti_SwV-hw

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Justin,
Nice vids.
Couple of questions.
What ball weight do you use?
What is your span on your spare ball?
Pitches?

You look like you have fun.

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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2009, 11:53:01 AM »
I'm currently throwing mid range 15 lbs. balls. 15.3-15.6 or so around there.  My spare ball is just set up as if I would throw it one handed, I can't remember exactly what my span is right now, but all the pitches and stuff is as if I drilled it up one handed.

Yeah, it is much more fun I think, that was one of the main factors that made me completely switch over.  I was having more fun throwing it 2 handed than 1. It also grabs people's attention and that's fun too.
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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2009, 12:50:34 PM »
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I'm sorry guys but whats the point of throwing 2 handed? just because someone tried it and has success to it doesn't mean everyone has to do it. if something wrong with your bowling arm or something switch. or if theres something wrong where you can't use your bowling arm well swithc hand. might take a while to perfect it but why use two hands?

what? for extra revs? why need extra revs if that's your intention. i just don't understand. why teach someone to do that? like in basketball. a coach don't coach a player to shoot left handed if he's a right handed or vise versa. yeah they incourage dribble left handed but not shoot. i don't get it.


There are a couple of reasons one could possibly consider going to the two handed approach. One is the fun factor, some people have more fun with it than your traditional 1 hand approach.  Two, you are able to generate more speed and revolutions using 2 hands which in turn gives you more pin action increasing your percentage in carry.  You are absolutely right though, no point to go to it unless one feels like it will increase their game, not so much just cause it's the popular thing to do.  There are some advantages to it, but all in all does no good if you don't practice with it and learn how to become better at it.
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DukeHarding

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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2009, 01:32:38 PM »
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I'm currently throwing mid range 15 lbs. balls. 15.3-15.6 or so around there.  My spare ball is just set up as if I would throw it one handed, I can't remember exactly what my span is right now, but all the pitches and stuff is as if I drilled it up one handed.

Yeah, it is much more fun I think, that was one of the main factors that made me completely switch over.  I was having more fun throwing it 2 handed than 1. It also grabs people's attention and that's fun too.
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Edited on 8/20/2009 11:57 AM


You really come out of the spare ball thumbhole nice.
Of course good timing helps.

You look like your hand is pretty relaxed, when you shot the 3-6-10.


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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2009, 01:38:12 PM »
Yeah, I think that was probably the hardest learning curve I needed to get through when I switched over from one handed to two handed was my spare shooting cause the timing is way different between the two styles.  Again, I can't stress practice enough cause that's where you can work out all the kinks and find out what is comfortable for you.  Just try not to get too frusterated when you're going through it, analyse yourself as best you can then get the input from a creditable outside source by video or coaching.  Are you able to take a video of yourself and post it up on YouTube?
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DukeHarding

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Re: Anyone coaching 2-hand bowling?
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2009, 02:12:03 PM »
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Yeah, I think that was probably the hardest learning curve I needed to get through when I switched over from one handed to two handed was my spare shooting cause the timing is way different between the two styles.  Again, I can't stress practice enough cause that's where you can work out all the kinks and find out what is comfortable for you.  Just try not to get too frusterated when you're going through it, analyse yourself as best you can then get the input from a creditable outside source by video or coaching.  Are you able to take a video of yourself and post it up on YouTube?
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Edited on 8/20/2009 1:39 PM


Justin,
I'm out of bowling for awhile (6 months minimum).
I injured both my thumbs in an accident.

I may try bowling again in the spring.

Thanks for the replies.

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