Author Topic: Anyone else sick of this? (Read 4008 times)

tdub36tjt · « **on:** September 01, 2008, 01:51:23 AM »

Anyone else sick of every ball company using the same core over and over again just tweaking the cover. Whether they just add pearl or make it a solid or make it a little stronger. It is just starting to get old to me that each company uses the same core 4 or 5 times before they finally make something NEW.

batbowler · « **Reply #1 on:** September 01, 2008, 09:56:26 AM »

If it works why reinvent the wheel! All companies do this and I'm not against it, because I go after performance and success, not just to throw something new and unproven! Just my $.02, Bruce
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joe 26 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 01, 2008, 10:05:05 AM »

The cover is what most influences the ball motion.

icewall · « **Reply #3 on:** September 01, 2008, 10:12:09 AM »

this has been the trend lately because it has been done before by changing the core in every ball in a lineup and wasnt anywhere near as successful or profitable then just changing the cover. besides once the core works and works well why change it.

the only thing that bugs me is when they use the core WAY too many times. this is evident in the widow lineup and with the venom and pearl.

I actually like the new lineups as it makes it easy to choose balls. I know when the ball hits its breakpoint and then when it hooks too early I just switch to the pearlized version.
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batbowler · « **Reply #4 on:** September 01, 2008, 10:19:47 AM »

Visionary Test Staff? Like they make the decisions on Visionary's ball lineup! Just a way they get people to use their equipment and make it appear that you're vote or say matters. Anybody can pay the money to be on the so called test staff! Don't get me wrong, I've used their stuff and it rolls pretty good and they have worn out the DC Tour weighblock in just about every lineup for the past 8 years, the new Gladiator was a welcome change in weighblock! Just my $.02, Bruce
P.S. They used a lot of similar technology in the beginning as the old Faball/Hammer, probably because of John Wonders connection with Hammer Midwest and they are in the old Hammer plant!
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #5 on:** September 01, 2008, 10:21:13 AM »

First off, developing new cores is kinda pricey. Good idea to mess with that as little as possible from a money standpoint.

But beyond that, it's all about matching up, right? Some bowlers may want the same core with a pearl cover, other bowlers may want the same core with a solid cover. What if you like the type of motion you get from a core, but want to get different reads on the lane for different conditions? The same core with a solid/pearl 1-2 punch. Why do you think so many people are excited about having both a solid AND a pearl version of the Cell?

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** September 01, 2008, 10:48:00 AM »

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First off, developing new cores is kinda pricey. Good idea to mess with that as little as possible from a money standpoint.

That is also what I understand. Actually, "kind of pricey" doesn't begin to tell you just how expensive it can be. I've heard numbers like $15,000 to $25,000 to design and produce a new core, depending on complexity and whether or not it's done in house or not. Then the core has to manufactured.

But beyond that, it's all about matching up, right? Some bowlers may want the same core with a pearl cover, other bowlers may want the same core with a solid cover. What if you like the type of motion you get from a core, but want to get different reads on the lane for different conditions? The same core with a solid/pearl 1-2 punch. Why do you think so many people are excited about having both a solid AND a pearl version of the Cell?

Most brands produce a solid and a pearl and sometimes a particle pearl, as standard with the same core. Some may tweak a previously used coverstock with that same core and find a match made in heaven.
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Russell · « **Reply #7 on:** September 01, 2008, 10:50:48 AM »

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Anyone else sick of every ball company using the same core over and over again just tweaking the cover. Whether they just add pearl or make it a solid or make it a little stronger. It is just starting to get old to me that each company uses the same core 4 or 5 times before they finally make something NEW.

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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2008, 12:04:48 PM »

I guess I understand that they make a pearl and a solid version, but with some likes like the widow line and the nv line, etc. it seems like they hype up the new ball so much when it really isn't hardly different from a previous version. I think Ebonite does it because they have all there companies so they just leave each company to cover a different type of reaction.

Maybe I am wrong but I think they would sell more and help there staffers if they covered more reactions with each company. For instance, I have heard that Tommy Jones is upset with Ebonite because they haven't given him a lot of options to combat the PBA patterns. If you can use Ebo's full line including Columbia, Hammer, and Track you can cover any thing you will see. But with each one on there own I think they handcuff their staffers and the die hard fans of that company.

tdub36tjt · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2008, 12:06:13 PM »

And you are b$#^&ing about people b$%^&ing so your not much better obviously. If it bothers you so much ignore it.

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Anyone else sick of every ball company using the same core over and over again just tweaking the cover. Whether they just add pearl or make it a solid or make it a little stronger. It is just starting to get old to me that each company uses the same core 4 or 5 times before they finally make something NEW.

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Crankenstein300 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2008, 12:47:11 PM »

The thing is, people still buy every new release regardless of if it's groudbreaking technology in the core. It's simple marketing really. And as others have mentioned, it may match up better with a different coverstock.

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2008, 12:52:39 PM »

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The thing is, people still buy every new release regardless of if it's groudbreaking technology in the core. It's simple marketing really.

That's the biggest part of this. Who cares if the ball is that much different? People are buying it and making the company money for a smaller investment than developing a brand new ball constantly. This lets them do quite a bit of R&D and really make an amazing ball the next time they reinvent the wheel and bring out a totally new core and new coverstock.

kev3inp · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2008, 02:53:15 PM »

Isn't the core restricted by the numbers the USBC specifies, too? That only leaves so much room for experimentation, I would think.
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mainzer · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2008, 03:08:45 PM »

What would you have them do? If they made a new core for every ball each ball would cost about 500 dollars.

Joe Jr, the core has alot more to do with ball reaction than you think it does it has been proven.

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Gazoo · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2008, 03:22:32 PM »

There is only so many core and coverstock formulations one can devise. Just look at the golf ball, alot of different brands but their mostly the same with small differences.Believe me i have tried them all.

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tdub36tjt

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