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Matt Fortney

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Anyone else?
« on: October 30, 2013, 03:10:23 PM »
Anyone else's house shot make just about every single ball, regardless of strength or drill, play within a board or two of each other?

I've got a Tribal, Venom Toxin, Raptor Talon, Cruel Intent and Hammer Spike with VERY different drills, and the shot at my house forces me to play them all within two boards of each other.

I'm 100% positive that it's the shot, and once I get on a sport shot or something like that the difference between all the balls and drills will be magnified, but it's frustrating in that I feel like what's the point of new stuff? lol.

Just so you know, we just recently got synthetics put in, within two years, and the backends are notoriously weak. It sucks because you can see all the balls revving up and trying to go at different times, but then they all just slowly walk in, at the same point on the lane. Even surface adjustments do hardly anything. Same line between 1000 and 4000+polish, with VERY SLIGHT change in shape.

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SVstar34

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Re: Anyone else?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2013, 03:18:58 PM »
can't say I'm seeing the same thing...

Is the backend spotty? Have you tried moving in or out depending on where you've been playing? Is there something off with your release?
« Last Edit: October 30, 2013, 04:07:56 PM by SVstar34 »
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itsallaboutme

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Re: Anyone else?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2013, 04:02:55 PM »
What model synthetics are they? 

What was there before?

What kind of lane machine?

What oil?
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Re: Anyone else?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2013, 05:14:54 PM »
I'm seeing what you're talking about with all balls playing simar. My brutal nightmare and misfit pear, laid out the same, have about 1 to 1 1/2 board difference on any given night. However the backends hook like crazy unlike what you are describing. Looking forward to bowling some tournaments to see a different reaction from these balls.
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Matt Fortney

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Re: Anyone else?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2013, 07:11:38 PM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on October 30, 2013, 04:02:55 PM
What model synthetics are they? 

What was there before?

What kind of lane machine?

What oil?

Im pretty sure the synthetics are Brunswick Anvilane. We had wood before these. Shot was fantastic but dried up pretty quick.

I'm not sure the brand but the machine says phoenix on it and its red.

As far as the oil goes, I'm not sure.

I know its 41 feet and that they just increased the amount of oil in the middle of the lane to increase the tug area, which helped the tug area, but made the shot tighter all around by about 3-4 boards.

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mainzer

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Re: Anyone else?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2013, 07:42:59 PM »
I have been seeing that for years.
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Re: Anyone else?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2013, 07:54:42 PM »
Quote from: mainzer on October 30, 2013, 07:42:59 PM
I have been seeing that for years.

Its frustrating. I'm the pro shop operator at the center I'm talking about, and its hard to tell customers that this or that ball will do this or that, when the truth is, "it will do the same exact thing as everything else."
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itsallaboutme

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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2013, 08:34:46 PM »
I asked all that because in your original post you made it sound that all the balls were the same, but laboring in the back end.

Wood and brunswick synthetics are on the opposite end of the spectrum as far as friction goes, so I believe a lot of what you are seeing is because of a fresh, low friction surface. 

As for all the balls reacting the same, the easier the lanes are the closer all balls react the same.  The wet is very wet and the dry is very dry.  All balls skid in oil and they all hook when they hit dry. 
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Matt Fortney

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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2013, 08:41:34 PM »
Every ball I throw is within two boards of each other, and laboring on the back is exactly what I would call the reaction. The best look I have is with a pin down 4.5 pin to pap tribal. That gives me the closest thing to skid flip...even though it probably shouldn't. I wouldn't call it an easy shot. Even with the tug area improved, our high series this season is about 730's, we've had 1 290 (guy shot 620's that set) and the next closest is 250's or so.

Wonder what would happen if I strip a pair by hand once. It acts like carry down, regardless of how fresh it is.
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2013, 09:00:02 PM »
If you look at the lane after it has been stripped and oiled and the machine isn't stripping properly the back ends will look streaky.  If this was the case the lanes would be very tight from the start and would usually break down very fast as the condition would be mixing with the cleaner that wasn't picked up.  Very unlikely with a Kegel machine.

I don't know the first thing about a Tribal, but it sounds like you need to go to stronger drillings and more surface to get the ball to slow down and have time to react.

I haven't seen anyone strip a lane by hand in about 20 years.  Your probably gonna have to dig deep into the storage area to find a push bar or a Key tool.  And if you go this route I hope you have a good relationship with the mechanic, because your basically giving him the big FU, telling him his lane machine isn't working.
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Matt Fortney

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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2013, 09:12:42 PM »
Lol. I'm sure there's still a push bar laying around somewhere. And we just got the machine a few years ago, and I am good friends with the mechanic. He wouldn't mind, as he's restricted by what he can and can't do with the oiler by the manager. Trust me, there's a lot more "cants" on that list than "cans." He would probably help me do it lol.
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itsallaboutme

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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2013, 09:32:25 PM »
Lane surfaces and how oil reacts to the surface in each center is trial and error for a lot of mechanics.  Depending on a few other things it could be the oil they are using.  There really is more to getting the fine Sunday china on the lane than just downloading an easy pattern.
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David Lee Yskes

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Re: Anyone else?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2013, 11:46:41 PM »
Matt,

yes this can happen...  i've seen it up here in big rapids when the old owner was running things..  He put out a shot that was so walled up, that everything from a high end ball to a low end ball reacted the same..    yet going to a sport shot was when i would see a difference in ball reaction.. 
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Matt Fortney

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Re: Anyone else?
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2013, 12:04:32 AM »
I guess I wouldn't mind it so much if the one reaction that people got was a really good one! lol.

Ultimately I really don't mind much, but I would prefer it if a $200 ball did something different than a $100 one.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2013, 12:16:33 AM »
Tonite I threw the byte, wrecker,  and shout (2012).  They were roughly a arrow apart of each other.
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