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Centers

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About our Local Associtaion
« on: December 22, 2010, 02:47:01 AM »
I wanted to gather some information about others local associations as ours seems to have turned bowling into what I would call ''work.''  

Our City Tournament entries came out with a new rule that took alot of scratch bowlers by suprise.  The rule states if you have bowled in any PBA event in the last 5 years, you are considered a PBA member.  You can not have more than 1 member on your team.  While this rule doesn''t impact the lower average bowler, it does throw a loop to some others.  I know of atleast 10 teams that will have to break up because of it, and will they be there this year?  

I bring this up because most of the officers in our association are lower average bowlers (non over 200) and was thinking of joining the association to try and correct some things.  The only issue I have is Rule 3.


Tucson Metro USBC
Application for Officer, Director or Delegate

In submitting this application, I will accept the position for which I am applying and if elected, will and conscientiously fulfill the following responsibilities of an officer, director or delegate to the best of my ability, in order to promote the growth of Tucson Metro USBC.

1. I will attend all board meetings.

2. I will be expected to work both Saturdays and Sundays during the tournaments.

3. I understand that activities in Item 1 and Item 2 above take precedence over my personal bowling activities.

4. I will attend assigned committee meetings and complete committee duties.

5. I will participate in all activities required by the Board.

6. I will be present at the Tucson Metro USBC Annual Meeting when seeking election of this position or submit a letter to the President stating the reason for my absence to the meeting and requesting that my name remain on the ballot.

7. I have never been convicted or a crime or pleaded “no contest” for any office orviolation other than minor traffic violations.


So with rule 3, this means I can''t bowl in any tournaments when the Association is representing?  Is this why the tournaments run by the Association is going into the dumps?  I just want to know if this is the same for most of you folks.
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Re: About our Local Associtaion
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2010, 04:38:42 PM »
One of the changes in rules for directors during the merger was time limits if my memory serves me correctly. If I am right on that, then at some point the older directors will have to be replaced. This could have been one of the rules that was dumped to get the merger passed though. I know there wasa big agrument about that particular change and the lack of interest in becoming a director from area bowlers. Anyone can attend meetings, so you can go to most of the board meetings as just a local bowler. You would have no vote, but could see what goes on and if you would really be interested. If they are really open with the way they run the meetings, they might even listen to ideas from you or other bowlers. They kind of look bad if you go back and tell everyone that they would not let you talk. The also have to have elections every year, you can always put together a group and try and toss out a director that is not acting in the good of the bowlers.
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Re: About our Local Associtaion
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2010, 05:51:47 PM »
Local Associations have one thing in mind, do things the way they want them done.
As a bowler we do have rights, problem is that we have to stick together, we need to come up with an idea, and bring it to the bowlers, bypass the association until the annual meeting then come in with a signed petition. Make sure there is a majority of signatures, force the associations to make the changes that the bowlers want, if not they will continue to do what they have for years.
As far as City Tournaments, houses will bend over backward if the association moves the tournament to the summer months, this will get bodies in the centers that they wouldnt have
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JOE FALCO

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Re: About our Local Associtaion
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2010, 06:18:02 PM »
I'd agree with the association new ruling with one change:

The rule states if you have owned a PBA card in the last 5 years, you are considered a PBA member.

Having multiple PBA card holders on a team does make that team stronger! It's like putting Professional Boxers in with amateurs .. I don't buy the point of owning a card for just discounts .. it wouldn't be worth it!
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Re: About our Local Associtaion
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2010, 09:28:21 PM »
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As far as City Tournaments, houses will bend over backward if the association moves the tournament to the summer months, this will get bodies in the centers that they wouldnt have


On the surface you'd think this was a good idea.  And maybe in some assoc. it is.  However, the problem with holding major city tournaments in the summer is that the bowler population in the summer drops dramatically.  There are much less bowlers in the summer then the winter season.  So it is harder to get participation because there simply is less bowlers.  Another issue we've heard when suggesting this idea is that most people are not currently bowling in league and are therefore "out of practice" and are not interested in a tournament.  Especially a Masters tournament.  You will also run into more conflicts with volunteers and BOD able to work tournaments in the summer months.  

And this day and age.....the house NEVER bends over backwards.
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Re: About our Local Associtaion
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2010, 09:39:14 PM »
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your post blatently showed utter disdain for the higher average player (at the very least


Not disdain for the higher average players, just those that think they can come onto a board and make all these changes knowing little to nothing about what the board has to do or how it has done things.  Boards are generally open to changes, but they usually have established proven track records and so changes have to happen slowly.  Add to that the higher average bowlers that I have experienced joining a Board have not participated (with the exception of one) in the "work" that needs to be done.  Now when I say higher average bower I am referring to 220+ bowlers.  And yes, most boards are going to cater to the majority of the bowling population.  But that doesn't mean that they ignore the higher average bowler anymore then they do the very beginner bowler.  Being on an assoc. board is not about who can bowl better.  Its about serving the entire bowler population and its sanctioned leagues, IMO.
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Re: About our Local Associtaion
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2010, 09:52:51 PM »
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Local Associations have one thing in mind, do things the way they want them done.
As a bowler we do have rights, problem is that we have to stick together, we need to come up with an idea, and bring it to the bowlers, bypass the association until the annual meeting then come in with a signed petition.


Most of this is a good idea.  But when you go to the annual meeting make sure you bring your friends to the meeting.  A petition is great, but the annual meeting needs people there to vote.  And most people that are willing to sign a petition think that's all they have to do to get their want heard.  But they also need to attend the annual meeting.  Imagine the impact you would have if you presented your petition and over 50% of your petitioners were there in attendance for comment.
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Re: About our Local Associtaion
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2010, 07:26:39 AM »
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One of the changes in rules for directors during the merger was time limits if my memory serves me correctly. If I am right on that, then at some point the older directors will have to be replaced. This could have been one of the rules that was dumped to get the merger passed though. I know there wasa big agrument about that particular change and the lack of interest in becoming a director from area bowlers. Anyone can attend meetings, so you can go to most of the board meetings as just a local bowler. You would have no vote, but could see what goes on and if you would really be interested. If they are really open with the way they run the meetings, they might even listen to ideas from you or other bowlers.


Sorry Tex, this is not entirely the case.

Our local association (Detroit) currently has term limits, but the BOD has been in the process of trying to remove those limits.  So while term limits MAY have been required (or "suggested"), they can be removed.

In addition, BOD meetings are NOT open to the general membership.  The ONLY meeting that is open to the general membership is the Annual meeting(or semi-annual if the association has one).  I was interested in finding out if regular BOD meetings were open...after looking for info on bowl.com (under the association tab), I found that USBC is against the practice of open meetings and strongly recommends against it (though the BOD can allow it or put it to a vote...I believe).  

A member of our association heard about this and tried to offer up an amendment to allow for open meetings...it was voted down by the BOD.
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Re: About our Local Associtaion
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2010, 09:50:48 PM »
I remember the limits being in that merger deal,but I did believe it was taken out to get it passed. A lot of the meetings in Dallas were open, but not all and not committee meetings. It was real rare for anyone else to come to a meeting unless they were wanting to become a director. I got out just after the big merger fight here, so have been out for a couple years. Got real ugly here and still is, which is one reason we are not merged. I remember Detroit being a really strong association when I went to conventions. They stood up and put forth their ideas or opinions on lots of rule proposals. I think being on the board can be rewarding and also can be very frustrating. All depends on that association and the members. Changed here a lot over the 10 years I was on the board. I do recommend getting involved to anyone that wants to try and make a difference or just to support our sport. I have offered my support to the USBC office several times since they are now in Arlington, but no takers yet.
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