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Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« on: March 01, 2004, 08:45:29 PM »
I don't know if I am going to catch alot of flack here, but I would say the anwser is no.

Now my defention, I understand that they compete in a sport and are paid for it. I.E, professional athlete. However, very few bowlers I have seen resemble anything close to being an athlete of professional caliber.

When I think of professional athletes, I think of boxers, football players, olypimans, ultimate fighters, hell even ice skaters are definetly athletes. I think alot of the forum users would perfer bowlers be thought of as athletes, so that you can get off a long day of sitting on the coutch, lug yourself and your gut down to the bowling alley, drink a couple beers and consider yourself among the same levels of an athlete.

The physical fitness level of a pro bowler is generally low, I would assume, compared with the physical fitness of most other professional sports. I don't buy, well they bowl 20 games a day crap either. I think it is sad to say that this is considered a great marvel of anything. The only thing that would be sore on me from bowling 20 games in a day would be my thumb and or fingers, definetly, and that is from a lack of playing everyday and developing callouses.  

I think it really shows how far out of shape an average american is, when they are impressed that somebody could bowl 20, or even 40 games a day. Now I understand that the hand-eye coordinate of a top bowler is extermely high, and is far beyond the reach of normal people. So is that of a professional pool player.

I guess its a reflexion of what is considered an athlete. I tend to be more towards the orginal concept. An athlete should be athletic, which is a term, orginally used to describe the attributes of traditional athletes. When 90 year old Eythl bowls her 200 game, thats nice. I would like to see Eythl hit a baseball more then 50 feet.

Should bowlers be called professional competitors, which is a more fitting term, IMO. Any opinions?

 

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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2004, 11:53:34 AM »
From dictionary.com, the definition of an athlete:

"A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts."

A professional bowler possesses the necessary traits that are required to be competitive on tour. However, not all pro bowlers are what I consider to be well rounded athletes as I believe some of them would struggle in other sports.  But...we do not require Tiger Woods to be a great tennis player to be considered a professional athlete, we just require him to possess the skills needed to compete with other professional golfers.  Therefore, as long as a bowler has the skills to compete on tour, they should be considered a professional athlete.

Anyone agree/disagree with my opinion?

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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2004, 12:00:56 PM »
I think that if professional golfers are to be considered athletes than so would bowlers. John Daly certainly doesn't look like an athlete but he can sure hit a golf ball. Look at the body shape of many offensive/defensive linemen in the NFL. Anyone remember the shape of Charles Barkley when he was a premier college basketball player? They didn't call him the round mound of rebound for nothing! And I've seen plenty of overweight boxers step into the ring. Oh, and Babe Ruth wasn't exactly trim and fit either.

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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2004, 12:05:09 PM »
As in all sports some are in better shape physically than others,..as you can see by watching some of the shows, and tournaments. There are some fitness fanatics on tour,...and there are some that aren't....it's all perspective.
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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2004, 12:12:16 PM »
So according to your logic there are a lot of sports that
don't have athetes?

At the pro level the touring pro bowl 30 to 50 games a week
in tournaments, not to mention practice.  Without leg strength
and leg endurance you aren't going to make it.

A bowlers legs would be comparable to a long distance runners legs.

Not all of the pros are atheletes, I'll give you that, because not
all of them compete in all of the events, but those that compete in the
majority of the events I would say are atheletes.

If you really want to go that far then baseball doesn't really have atheletes,
Track and field, etc.

All you need for baseball is hand eye coordination, and the ability to spint to first base.

Example:

I had a co worker that thinks like you, so I took him out to practice with me.
he is in much better shape than I was.  He rode bike, played racquetball, not to mention I out weighed him by about 75 pounds.  We go out, and bowl 10 fast paced games like I do when I goto practice sometimes.  Well he ounly made it to game 6 and the next couple of days he was walking with a limp, and he was in shape.

SO while I will agree with you to some point that not all bowlers are atheletes.
Some are.


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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2004, 12:13:09 PM »
Some very good points indeed...

As I said professional competitors would be more approprate then professional athlete.

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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2004, 12:13:32 PM »
you just don't want to mess with those "olypimans" I'll tell ya' that right now!
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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2004, 12:15:40 PM »
I think golfing is probably a trillion times more physical then bowling, so I disagree with that anology. Walking 400 yardsX12, with varying levels of grade is much more challenging.

That said, I really don't think that golfers are nesscessarly athletes either.

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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2004, 12:18:45 PM »
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I think golfing is probably a trillion times more physical then bowling, so I disagree with that anology. Walking 400 yardsX12, with varying levels of grade is much more challenging.

That said, I really don't think that golfers are nesscessarly athletes either.


400 yardsX12?  The hell with that!!  Give me a cart!!!!
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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2004, 12:21:32 PM »
"At the pro level the touring pro bowl 30 to 50 games a week
in tournaments, not to mention practice. Without leg strength
and leg endurance you aren't going to make it."

I couldn't walk up a flight of stairs with out leg strength or leg endurance.

" Well he ounly made it to game 6 and the next couple of days he was walking with a limp, and he was in shape."

Improper form and sliding can cause alot of twisting in the knee and hip area. Pulling or straining something through improper form is not a real good example.

I.E, I don't write alot with a pen and paper anymore, so when I do, I get forearm cramps, LOL. I guess that means those little 6 year olds in first grade who print all the time time are better athletes then myself?

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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2004, 12:22:05 PM »
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I think golfing is probably a trillion times more physical then bowling, so I disagree with that anology. Walking 400 yardsX12, with varying levels of grade is much more challenging.

That said, I really don't think that golfers are nesscessarly athletes either.


DOn't you think John Daly  would be alot smaller if he was doing all that walking?
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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2004, 12:23:54 PM »
I think that most league bowlers aren't athletes and I know people are going to be mad at me for saying this. League bowlers don't train by weight lifting working on thier mental game. But also neither do the average golfer men in softball and baseball leagues even the average person who goes to the YMCA to play basketball with the guys. But a lot of the  pros on the PBA tour do weight train and work on every part of their game.

 Another problem I have is that league bowlers bowl 3 games of open play at the bowling alley and they say practiced. Well I'm sorry but 3 games is not practice.

 I make a living bowling. I bowl around 15 games a day. This is my job. I weight train I eat healthy to make sure I'm in good shape to put food on the table.

 The average league bowler doesn't want to bowl for a living. They already have a job and are fairly happy with thier living situation. But what the average league bowler wants or doesn't want shouldn't affect how we think of our professional athletes.

 Another way of saying it is that the average golfer doesn't get into shape to play golf so Tiger Woods isn't an athlete because of it. Or for the people who don't think pro golfers are athletes another situation is that the guys who play basketball for fun at the YMCA don't train so that means Michael Jordan shouldn't be considered an athlete.

 What shape league bowler is in shouldn't affect what we think of the professionals of our great sport.

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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2004, 12:24:49 PM »
"A bowlers legs would be comparable to a long distance runners legs."

Not hardly. Teach a bowler the proper mechanics for long distance running, and let them loose. My guess is after 3-4 miles (assuming they have the endurance to make it that far) there legs would feel exteremly heavy and or burn from latic acid build up.

Reverse the situation and teach a long distance runner how to properly slide, and then tell them to take 5 steps and slide. Wait ten seconds and repeat...

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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2004, 12:27:39 PM »
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I think golfing is probably a trillion times more physical then bowling, so I disagree with that anology. Walking 400 yardsX12, with varying levels of grade is much more challenging.

That said, I really don't think that golfers are nesscessarly athletes either.


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DOn't you think John Daly would be alot smaller if he was doing all that walking?
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Nope, some people are naturally fat. Endomorphs. My question never involved what a person looked like in releation to thier athletic performance.



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Re: Are PBA pros really professional athletes
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2004, 12:35:36 PM »
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"A bowlers legs would be comparable to a long distance runners legs."

Not hardly. Teach a bowler the proper mechanics for long distance running, and let them loose. My guess is after 3-4 miles (assuming they have the endurance to make it that far) there legs would feel exteremly heavy and or burn from latic acid build up.

Reverse the situation and teach a long distance runner how to properly slide, and then tell them to take 5 steps and slide. Wait ten seconds and repeat...



I would have to differ on that.  looking at the legs only they would be compareable (not the same)

""At the pro level the touring pro bowl 30 to 50 games a week
in tournaments, not to mention practice. Without leg strength
and leg endurance you aren't going to make it."

I couldn't walk up a flight of stairs with out leg strength or leg endurance. "

You're right and that is exactly what I am talking about, although we are on a different level than just walking up the stairs.


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