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mogators

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Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« on: July 29, 2014, 02:56:00 PM »
We have our league meeting coming up this week and our secretary just put out an email informing everyone of the lack of awards from USBC.  People in this league (once a week bowlers who most never bowl a tournament), have argued about why we should sanction before.  I feel it will be difficult to convince them to vote to sanction this year (I'm not sure I want to myself).  What are some benefits to being sanctioned that would sway us to continue to be USBC sanctioned?
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2014, 04:12:00 PM »
I am waiting to see what our leagues decide as well.
I am not certain, but I thought the USBC award limitations are for repeat achievements.

I understood it to be for example:
if you have had a USBC sanctioned 300, and received a ring, you can purchase it at full cost. If you have not, you will receive the ring via USBC as in previous years.

Someone with more insight please let me know.

An argument to make if you want sanction is that if an honor score is bowled in a non-sanctioned league - it will not be recognized, or rewarded (awarded).
Argument against sanction is more money towards pay out or in house awards.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2014, 04:28:37 PM »
There are very few award scores shot in this league and most of the guys capable have already done it so wouldn't get another ring anyway.  We have an older guy on our team that bowls the Greater Ozark tournament every year.  This is the only league he bowls in so if he didn't have a sanctioned average, I'm not sure how they would handle that.  With the few guys that actually bowl any tournaments, it's hard to use that as a justification for the whole league having to pay the sanction fees.  I know the other awards for things like 700 series, 250 games etc were really crappy to begin with, but they have even taken those away.  I think that is going to cause the league to say, they aren't giving us anything anyway, tell them to pound sand.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2014, 04:53:12 PM »
GO used to offer the option of buying an unattached card for $7 - $8 or so.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2014, 05:01:37 PM »
I think you should call your local USBC and have them attend the meeting to clear up any questions. An informed decision for all is the best case. Don't guess about awards or other issues that might arise.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2014, 06:20:23 PM »
if you are a tournament bowler and plan on bowling any pba events, including regionals, you must now be a usbc card carrying member, in good standing.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2014, 07:20:02 PM »
Big one is that in sanctioning the league, the league is bonded, so the prize fund is guaranteed. Not sanctioning means putting blind trust into your league officials, with no oversight.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2014, 07:39:24 PM »
Quote from: iowalefty on July 29, 2014, 07:20:02 PM
Big one is that in sanctioning the league, the league is bonded, so the prize fund is guaranteed. Not sanctioning means putting blind trust into your league officials, with no oversight.

This plus all the rules and regulations that define bowling are the main reasons that I see. Awards rank about 25th or 300th in the reasons for sanctioning. Any league or association could spend 25 cents for more awards than are given by the USBC any more. Without the rules and regulations you could have full contact bowling, 18 b. bowling balls, or any amount of nonsense going on in the middle of what used to be fun game.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2014, 07:46:13 PM »
Charlest does your sanctioned league regular check for legal ball weight, or static weights? Ive seen several times non USBC  approved balls used in league. They were store bought predrilled house balls basically but for some reason are not USBC approved.

Bonding is the biggest benefit in my opinion.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2014, 08:50:15 PM »
A majority of leagues in my entire association ARE NOT USBC-CERTIFIED ... and for at least a decade, more than 50 percent of area leagues have been non-certified. So there are a lot of bowlers around here that see no reason to certify.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2014, 10:32:58 PM »
IF you have a good association the regular awards have not been eliminated, just are provided by the local association not USBC. They are given access to buy them through the same company as USBC has used or do something on their own. The once in a lifetime honor score awards are still by USBC.  Bonding is a big deal and we have had large sums of money stolen in the Dallas BA before and the bonding replaced, took a little time but they got paid in the end. For those few bowlers you mentioned that bowl tournaments they will have to find another league or bowl scratch anywhere they go. They might get a one year pass since they would have an average last year, if they just go on line and buy a card from USBC but after that they will have to do something. Always liked the old tale that a bowler in a non-sanctioned league started walking half way down the lane to throw his ball. They called foul, he said prove it. They pulled out the rule book and said its right here and his reply, we aren't sanctioned that rule doesn't apply anymore....
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2014, 10:39:17 PM »
Quote from: Tex on July 29, 2014, 10:32:58 PM
IF you have a good association the regular awards have not been eliminated, just are provided by the local association not USBC. They are given access to buy them through the same company as USBC has used or do something on their own. The once in a lifetime honor score awards are still by USBC.  Bonding is a big deal and we have had large sums of money stolen in the Dallas BA before and the bonding replaced, took a little time but they got paid in the end. For those few bowlers you mentioned that bowl tournaments they will have to find another league or bowl scratch anywhere they go. They might get a one year pass since they would have an average last year, if they just go on line and buy a card from USBC but after that they will have to do something. Always liked the old tale that a bowler in a non-sanctioned league started walking half way down the lane to throw his ball. They called foul, he said prove it. They pulled out the rule book and said its right here and his reply, we aren't sanctioned that rule doesn't apply anymore....


That is funny. Most non-sanction leagues use usbc rules to govern by just not usbc's fees. I still agree you want the league bonded.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2014, 10:47:49 PM »
Our association manager always liked telling that story. I really don't think it is true, but makes the point that if a rule dispute arises you have no back up to settle the problem. I have seen as a league secretary and previously an association board member more than one instance where the association had to go to a league meeting and settle rules questions. One of the areas I have used the ABC or USBC in the past was pulling sanction cards on bowlers that don't like to pay their fees. In some cases it was the local association that notified me that I had just let a bowler into my league that was banned due to such violations. I could see un-sanctioned leagues getting ripped off by bowlers that like to get behind and refuse to catch up, then you have no recourse but to not let them in next year. They can just go to another un-sanctioned league and do it again.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2014, 11:41:52 PM »
Quote from: Mighty Fish on July 29, 2014, 08:50:15 PM
A majority of leagues in my entire association ARE NOT USBC-CERTIFIED ... and for at least a decade, more than 50 percent of area leagues have been non-certified. So there are a lot of bowlers around here that see no reason to certify.

You are mistaken, those "non-certified" leagues are not part of your association. Your association is the USBC local, the leagues are not part of USBC therefore they are not part of your local association.
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Re: Argument to convince league to get USBC sanctioned
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2014, 07:31:38 AM »
Most leagues where I live have such a small prize fund that bonding isn't even an issue.  There's really no good reason for them to certify.  The house has discussed various ways around helping the few people that do want to certify (like putting them into an imaginary league using the scores from whatever night they bowl and sending it in as though they were in their own league).  The house makes the calls on the rules (not that there's ever an issue there either).  It's all recreation for 90%+ of the bowlers here.
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