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spatten

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Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« on: September 23, 2003, 09:45:25 PM »
I am looking at replacing a ball in my bag to better handle the league
conditions I am seeing.  

Current Arsenal:

Swamp Monster - Box finish, stacked leverage. This ball doesn't do me much good.
                Rolls out on THS.

DZ Red Alert -  Dulled from box finish, stacked leverage.  This is my go to ball, and does well for me with any head oil. Can play inside and swing out.

Monster Bruiser - HiGloss Polish, 5x5.  This is my length or meduim-dry oil ball.  It tends to be snappier on the backends then the Red Alert.

V2 Dry - Box Finish.  Drilled 4x4.  I use this ball to play up the boards when I cannot find a line to swing, or down and in on toasted lanes.  

So I am now bowling 2nd Shift League.  The conditions as far as I can tell, are carrydown with not a lot of head oil.  The best shot I have found so far is using the bruiser straight up 14-15 and tapping into the pocket.  I leave much larger % of tens then I would like. The Red Alert finishes weaker then the Bruiser and doesn't seem like a good option.

Any suggestions on what to replace the swamp monster with?

My stats:
Tweener, 250+ RPM, 17.5 MPH
Axis of Rotation - Prefer 45, can play 30-70 easily.
Med- High Track, don't know exact PAP location.    First oil Line about 1.5 inches from middle finger, .5 inches from thumb.


Thanks for looking,
Scott

 

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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2003, 01:14:23 PM »
I would say just about any particle pearls or even low-medium load particle balls would be good. I'm abit suprised BOB didn't recommend an Inferno. Red Alerts were very early revving so a med or low RG ball could be used with a bit of polish on it.

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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2003, 01:16:40 PM »
I like Bob Hanson's recommendations. But I also like the Red Alert/Bruiser combo you have working. I would opt for a particle pearl ball, on the order of an Assault P/P, Enforcer, or Smasher, maybe.....but drilled agressive, like max stacked leverage, to give you that smooth recovery back to the pocket. I for one use a polished Red Alert drilled 5x5, and a dulled Demo Zone drilled 5x4 to combat carry down. Note this combo works much better on wood than on synthetics. I tend to go a little more direct, the more carry-down I see. There will have to be some line adjustments on your part. No one ball is going to solve all problems.....but good luck nonetheless.
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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2003, 01:42:52 PM »
I advise you the brand new storm fear factor! This ball is amazing! I got the honor to be one of the first players to roll the cute baby! On heavy oil it works perfect! It revs up good and save the power for the pins. Very good hook for real heavy oil! But don't play it on medium or dry conditions! The ball would do nothing but it isn't made for them! =)

If you search for a hookmonster in heavy oil get this ball!!

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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2003, 01:44:24 PM »
I know people will hate me for this, but don't rule out a little bit of loft on shots like that.

If it's anything like our house, the first 10 feet are toast, but the rest isn't too bad. If you can either get inside of the dry spot (move DEEP), or loft a little bit down the lane, you may be pleased with the results.

If you want an idea of how that shot looks, look at WRW in the championships at the end of last year.

He was using a pretty strong ball compared to everyone else (D/T element) and was having success with it because he was able to loft it out there a good distance.

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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2003, 01:46:56 PM »
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I advise you the brand new storm fear factor! This ball is amazing! I got the honor to be one of the first players to roll the cute baby! On heavy oil it works perfect! It revs up good and save the power for the pins. Very good hook for real heavy oil! But don't play it on medium or dry conditions! The ball would do nothing but it isn't made for them! =)

If you search for a hookmonster in heavy oil get this ball!!


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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2003, 02:10:56 PM »
Guys,

These are good ideas, and they make sense to me.  Basically what we are talking about is an polished agressive ball.  Probably drilled strong. Probably lightload particle.  Time to go research the suggestions, this is always so much fun.  

Bjaardker, that was hillarious.   Sometimes you just got to wonder.

Plus40,  I have wanted a polished Red Alert for a long time.  But only in addition to the dulled one I have.  That would be ideal.

Take care,
Scott

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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2003, 02:13:51 PM »
Or maybe touch up the track with scotch brite on the Bruiser, next time out. Might also do the trick.

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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2003, 10:16:02 PM »
I don't know how dry and how far for your heads.

you have a few choices which some have been given.

a few more:

A particle ball that gets some length and will turn before the carrydown or a big snapping ball to bounce of the dry from a dep inside line.


Predator Jungle green with a 1500 grit finish
V2 strong has good backend and nice length
predator pursuit- little less backend than the jungle green

TPC player has a big backend
Time Zone. big-  backend should be able to recover from dry outside boards. not a tight inside line ball.



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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2003, 10:57:06 PM »
Time Zone drilled for length (pin over bridge with CG kicked right a bit). Amazing recovery, even with some carrydown. Very clean through spotty broken heads.

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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2003, 09:33:32 AM »
Our second shift shot varies depending on who was bowling on the lane first shift and what they were throwing.  I try my polished reactive first, but under some conditions, if you aren't very consistent shot to shot, it is too squirrely on the back end, magnifying your mistakes and rewarding them with washouts and splits.  When you see heads going away and carrydown shaping the backends, I like the light load particle with some polish.  It gets through the heads OK and saves something for the back ends without covering too many boards.  I like the smaller hook that still can sometimes rip up the off hits without starting a ten pin collection on the other shots.    A more aggressive particle with a duller cover can work ocassionally, but when you are covering lots of boards and burning energy in the heads, it will start leaving the same stuff a polished reactive will if you aren't consistent enough.  So basically the strategy for me is to use something that may not be the best strike ball, but won't negate your strikes with unmakeable spares.

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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2003, 06:20:06 PM »
All,

I have purchased on Inferno, based on recomendations from this board and my driller.  Probably going to drill it close to stacked leverage, unless anyone has a better idea.

Thanks,
Scott

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Re: Arsenal Analysis, how to combat 2nd shift carrydown
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2003, 06:47:15 AM »
PEARL CARBIDE BOMB. NUFF SAID. length and recovery.
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