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2handedrook12

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« on: January 12, 2014, 01:19:02 PM »
Yesterday I had a Conference tournament and I placed 6th. However, everyone struggled. There was so much oil and I've never seen anything like it. It was also very wet/dry. I saw people with about 475 rpm throwing a Marvel-S and there ball was just skidding. My goal was to shoot 200 every game. I shot 206 208 and 166 in the first half. The second half, it was even worse. There was no friction on the lane til game 5. That was the game where it became very wet/dry. Game 6 I shot a 182 (credit to my Lights Out). But I felt hopeless on that shot. And I lost a lot of confidence after that. And I am very far from cocky. What could I have done (or next time I see a shot like this)?
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Re: Ability
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2014, 11:49:14 AM »
If you couldn't get the ball to hook you had too much speed, and axis rotation, plus most guys shouldn't move out on such a pattern.  Watch guys play on the Badger pattern.  Very difficult to play outside, but you can throw very straight from inside 15, and score if indeed the condition was as slick down the lane as it sounds. 
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2handedrook12

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Re: Ability
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2014, 11:51:33 AM »
Thanks. This is probably the best answer for what I was looking for. Next time I see anything like this, I can go to ny Taboo Spare.
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Re: Ability
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2014, 12:35:00 PM »
Isn't the Taboo Spare Plastic (polyester). If so, on a flat, heavy oil pattern, plastic is not the solution.

You need to play direct with a ball that rolls early and get the ball down on the lane as soon as possible with minimal axis rotation. In other words, stay more up the back of the ball.

With a stronger ball you should be able to create enough entry angle to carry decently unless you are spinning the ball or are using excessive speed.

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Re: Ability
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2014, 02:38:52 PM »
It is not about creating entry angle.  That is where guys get in trouble.  If your ball is releasing rotational energy when it gets to the pocket it will resist deflection even without good entry angle.  Like I said try to find video of the guys playing the badger pattern.  They were playing what we call fall back at 4th arrow, and even the lower rev guys could still drive the 5 out if they kept their speed under control, and had minimal axis rotation. 

Strong pearls actually work better than anything on these patterns.  Even with end over end they don't pick up the roll too early, allowing you to make use of the hold area.

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Re: Ability
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2014, 04:50:51 PM »
Bob, take what I said in context. I am not talking about trying to cover boards. If you want to carry consistently, you have to get the ball into a strong roll.  Once the ball hits the dry, for sure it will begin to change phases and direction. A ball rolling earlier will change directions and create some angle. While a strong pearl may react more violently once it hits the dry, if you do not have a clean release with the correct rotation, the ball will not roll into the pocket and leave some nasty leaves from what I have seen.

 Of course, Norm Duke proved what you are saying about using a strong pearl, but that was Norm Duke with his extra clean release and almost flawless ability to control the rotation that he puts on the ball, depending on the conditions.

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Re: Ability
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2014, 11:43:41 PM »
What I have done and do, is a alter the surface of my equipment to extremely rough grits, and by that I mean extremely rough---I have gone as far down as 12 grit----that's no typo---12 grit---although on the reverse blocks or us open patterns or just wacky heavy tournament shots I use balls at anywhere from 24 grit to 80 grit, which for me allows me to stand left and throw left(I'm a lefty) and to square up and play down and in(which I prefer) an any type of pattern/length. I am kinda stubborn, I try and not let the lanes tell how I should be as a bowler but I find a way to be myself on all patterns(if at all possible), so trying going really low on the surface grit, it might help.

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Re: Ability
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2014, 10:36:34 AM »
crider, I think we may be saying the same thing.  What I should have said is that it is the energy released by the ball as it changes directions, not the absolute amount of actual change in direction.  A high rev rate with lower axis rotation cannot make as big a move as a ball with a higher axis rotation and the same rev rate, but it can resist deflection just as effectively

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Re: Ability
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2014, 11:48:44 AM »
Sometimes on these types of patterns you can find some friction at the 1-2 board area and then have tug to the left of that to hold pocket.    There was a time when players routinely played the 1/2 board to the 1 board on the lane when the lane conditions allowed it.  These days not too many people venture out to that area or even attempt to take a look there in fear of the obvious 0 count ball. 

You say you can swing the ball well, and you can play straight up the lane well but can you play the point shot well.   Pointing the ball up the lane is a lost art. 

Think of tires on ice.  Your ball is a tire and the lane is ice.   You don't want your ties going side ways because they will not get traction.   A ball that rolls forward with rotation and on direct lines will be the best option on "impossible"  conditions but there will always be an acceptation to the rule where a player has some kind of trick roll and creates area that you don't see on the lane yourself.
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avabob

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Re: Ability
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2014, 12:31:03 PM »
I have had good luck playing the point shot off the gutter as well.  However there is a reason you don't see it much anymore.  The longer the pattern the more difficult it is to utilize the first couple of dry boards.  There seems to me to be a lot more long patterns.  Even the PBA has lengthened the animal patterns significantly.  Personally I think it is a good thing because it stops guys from simply over powering patterns with more and more revs. 

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Re: Ability
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2014, 07:52:00 AM »
I do have a point shot. Only problem I ran into was that I couldn't carry. And my leaves weren't easy pick ups.
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