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RevLefty

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need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« on: September 09, 2007, 09:46:37 AM »
Due to Injury beyond my control my left handed days are over for about 3 years according to my doctor.  I have since converted to right handed.  Used to be a big power tweener who had high ball speed with med revs.  Now at right handed I have med revs and no ball speed.  There in lies my probelm.  I bowl in a house that has med oil in middle light oil outside and retarded backends.  I cant get anything  50 foot down lane before it jumps on me.  Trust me if i could back oof revs i would but i just cant i am not strong enough reason i on side of ball is cause i am not strong enough to stay be hind it i am more on top and on side of it.  Any ball suggestions and layouts to help me accomplish what i need. I bought a cherry vibe threw the pin above finger about 2 inches with cg under rign finger this didnt help still flips at 40 feet. I have a norm duke silver advantage that gets down lane but really unreliable hooks one time dont hook the next cover too weak. any ideas cause i am fresh out. thanks joe
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Re: need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2007, 08:12:16 PM »
I have no suggestions for balls or layouts. I had a friend that was right handed and had a rotator cuff operation. He came back to bowling, but bowled left handed. He just took his time and learned how to roll the ball.

Do not expect to be able to bowl the same that you did before. It will come to you, just takes time.
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Re: need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2007, 08:29:51 PM »
It's hard to make any recommendations on what to do unless I can see exactly how you are delivering that ball.  I would suggest that you get with a coach to look at your delivery and bowling ball.  I takes time to learn bowling with your opposite hand.  A coach can help you make the adjustments that will make your shot better.
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Re: need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2007, 09:08:58 PM »
Make sure you get something polished and reactive, not particle.  If you can, find something with as high an RG as possible.  That will help it get down the lane.  Then drill it with pin above the ring finger, CG can be in the stable position in the middle of your grip or kicked out depending on your accuracy.   Getting the pin above the fingers will also help delay hook.  But make sure you've polished the snot out of it.  You don't need a big hooker, but you do need something with some core power.  So I'd skip the Scouts, Tornados and Tropical Storms.  Go up to the next level but something that comes out of the box shiney that you can shine up further.  

If you were throwing 16 go 15 and if you were throwing 15 consider going to 14.  At least until you become a bit more proficient with your off hand.  

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RevLefty

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Re: need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2007, 11:51:38 PM »
Ato thanks for info I did go to 14 i used to throw 15 with other hand.  I will try polishing the crap out of my jolt or I do have the cherry vibe drilled the way you suggest, do you think taking it up to 4000 abralon and then polishiing with ebonite extender polish will do the trick I have a spinner and all the stuff to do it.what you think?

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Re: need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2007, 12:15:41 AM »
Right now all your stuff hooks up too early because of your low ball speed.  

So you need to keep it polished up, really well.  And play deeper inside/out then you were used to with your dominant hand.

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Re: need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2007, 10:38:11 AM »
you may want to talk to Clint Daley on here. He did the same switch last year or so. He may give you an idea..
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Re: need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2007, 11:12:08 AM »
RevLefty,

There's already been some good advice given, but you may consider softening the hand at release, too.  Slower speed and higher revs is a tough combination to have, just as is higher speed and few revs.

By softening the hand the ball will push further.  Also focus on staying down at the line longer (I don't know if this is an issue with you) because that is one of my problems.  My legs can cause me some real grief when I "pop up".  The ball wants to start too soon.  Good luck.
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Re: need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2007, 03:04:26 PM »
Revlefty- With your ball speed at 10mph it is going to be difficult.My suggestion would be to start out with a power groove or red xxxl and drill them 5&1/2 or 5&3/4 pin to pap. Use a 135 degree backend to minimize the hook as much as possible.Then adjust the cover as needed. You probably need to put the pin at least 4" above the midline also.
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Re: need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2007, 03:21:16 PM »
It's very understandable that your ball speed will be lower with your non-dominant hand.  I have tried to throw a ball left handed before for laughs--it wasn't pretty.  Not only was I uncoordinated, I just simply didn't have the same strength in my other arm.  However, arm strength doesn't have as much to do with ball speed as your form in many cases.  Other than of course matching up your equipment to your lower speed, one of your best bets may be to practice as much as possible to build up your coordination and strength with your right arm, plus working on developing a form that lets you increase your ball speed.

I am not a strong guy by any stretch of the imagination, but I still generally have a 17mph ball speed, sometimes 18mph, throwing a 15 pound ball.  I generate my speed with my relatively long legs and with a free arm swing.  I stand at the back dots and I use my long legs to take longer steps (I only have a 4 step approach, though being 6'0" helps that some).  Combine that with an armswing that lets gravity do its thing, and I don't have to put much muscle into it.
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Re: need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2007, 07:45:27 PM »
Rev,

   Something else you might look into is a urethane cover ball.  The old urethanes werent nearly as aggressive on todays oil patterns, but with you really low speed, would probably have time to read the pattern and hook enough to get to the pocket.

  I know urethane will not carry quite as good as reactives, but it might help until you get used to using your right hand and build up enough strength to get a reactive down the lane.

  Besides, if you hit the pocket every ball with urethane and only strike 50% of the time, how is that different from hitting the pocket 50% of the time and carrying them all?  Still only striking on half your shots.....
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Re: need advice!! cant get ball down lane on house shot
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2007, 10:04:10 PM »
thanks to all for your advice i have some new ideas thanks to yall. thanks again
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