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Ric Clint

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a NEW way to attack Heavy Oil!!!
« on: December 31, 2003, 01:31:39 AM »
I think my friend just hit upon something... let me know what you think.

Yesterday my friend is throwing his Track SPELL (I have 2 of them also) which is a Higher RG ball so it naturally gets length just by the core alone.

Well, he takes a tip from another bowler and decides to sand it down to 320 grit with scotchbrite to see if it will work on a true FLOOD... well it does!!!

We couldn't beleive the backend of the ball on a Heavier Oiled shot like this!

Other guys were using SANDED down V2 Strong's, Super Carbide Bomb's, and Phenom's, etc (and it looked like they were all just weak around the corner even on a FRESH shot)... and this sanded Higher RG SPELL was out hooking all these other Lower RG balls on the backend EVEN on this FLOOD!!!


The theory:

Now I know that you can't really play for backend snap on Heavy Oil and that you need to just go after the "early roll" thing on Heavy Oil and play tight up the boards... BUT... I've heard all this stuff about these Lower RG particle ball losing too much energy and not having nothing left for the backend EVEN on Heavy Oil...

...so why not take a Higher RG particle ball and sand it down and use it on Heavy Oil???

See, the Higher RG core will give you a little more length and save more energy for the backend and the sanded particle coverstock will still give you the midlane roll (as if it were a Lower RG ball) that you need on Heavy Oil... and all this equals up to a powerful ball that hooks more on a Heavy Oil shot than some of these Lower RG particle balls that may just waist too much energy early on and not hook on the backend.


So do you see where I'm going with this???


It works!!!




 

Ric Clint

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Re: a NEW way to attack Heavy Oil!!!
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2004, 06:55:46 AM »
Hey... where are all the replies?

I set my preferences back as far as they would go, but that was only to like the last 120 days... it used to go back to to the last 365 days.

Why did they change the preferences so that we couldn't go back as far as we used to could?



Ps... If you read my theory above, just to let ya'll know - I'm still having success on Heavier Oil with my theory above, about 95% of the time! Try it out, you'll see!





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Re: a NEW way to attack Heavy Oil!!!
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2004, 02:29:23 PM »
I actually like to take a Low RG Pearl and sand it to 400 and apply a coat of Hook-It from Neotac.  This really cuts through heavy oil.  I've tried it with a Silver Streak Pearl and Blue Retro Roto and both were great in heavy oil.  You still get that early roll, and still a good pop on the backend.  It's hard to control when the lanes break down but if you fire it up 5 or 6 like me with about 380rpms its very condusive to a heavier oiled shot(and playing lanes with an O.B.)
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LuckyLefty

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Re: a NEW way to attack Heavy Oil!!!
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2004, 12:01:27 AM »
Ric,

You and I have talked about this a bit in the past.

I have found that the heavy rolling low rg balls, work great on league heavy oil(where there is dry to the outside of the shot).  The reason they work great is because the low rg and heavily loaded coverstock give the ball a tendancy to work and start hooking even in the heads and midlane.  This allows the ball to be swung from the inside oil out to the dry and then the dry kicks the ball back to the pocket.  Balls like the Mayhem, Reaction Roll, AMF Evo Tour, Phenom and Throttle all fit this bill great!

However on tournament oil.  ie long deep and OB outside of 10.  I have found higher rg, whether sanded or not works great.  One of my best balls was a polished Demolition Zone.  I've also done well on shots like this with a shiny pearl Brunswick Battle Zone Bullet!

As you and I discussed this different oil shot, any swing(which low rg balls force one to do, does not allow the recovery on this shot once one aims even the least bit away from the pocket!!!  As there is no dry to the sides but only at the end of the pattern.  Therefore the key to this shot is to find a ball that allows one to point at the pocket.  I often find a 8 at the arrows to 11 line at the breakpoint works real nice for me on this really tough shot!

After I find the ball that allows me to point, balls I've very successfully used have been my Demo Zone, BZ Bullet and also like you the trusty Track Spell(mine is at 1000 grit sheen).  All medium to high rg.  I then just fit the backend to the shot.  If I can pick a correct backend for the condition and point(all high rg balls lead to a point more easily) plus slow my speed down to about 12 mph while still acceleratingsmoothly thru release.  Then many are in trouble.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: a NEW way to attack Heavy Oil!!!
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2004, 12:37:53 AM »
The Navy Fuze had one of the weiredest cores ever.  Plus is only weighed like 3 1/2-4 lbs.  I've heard it was a love/hate ball.

Ric, you should look for a Nighthawk SPT or Revenge.  Both have that spell core and both are excellent balls.  They might fit you perfect.  Or even something in the triumph line
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Re: a NEW way to attack Heavy Oil!!!
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2004, 12:50:35 AM »
That is one of the reasons I do not throw any particle.  As a high rev player, I almost have to use mostly reactives.  Most particles tend to lose the energy way too fast and the ball just dies on the backend causing weak hits.  EX:  I have a Enforcer still with only about 30 games on it.  I can only use this down and in and it is polished with Track's Clean and Smooth with Magic Shine over the top of that just to help it through the heads.  It still comes around the corner, just not hard enough if I have to move a little deeper.  Unless the gutter is really walled up, I can't create enough entry to kick corners.  For me, taking a reactive whether on heavy oil or drier conditions, tends to work best for me.  Then again, the particles of today are improved since the particles of 5 years ago.  That Navy Fuze was a piece of junk.  Compare that to balls such as the Sheer Havoc, Phenom, Phenom Unleashed, and Animal, there really is no comparison.  But, that is just my opinion.  You could use a particle ball for heavier oil, but to me, using an agressive reactive is more beneficial is some cases.  Granted, I have not hit 40+ feet of oil in a very long time.  But, when they are tighter than normal for this area (Atlanta, GA), my Crunch with Clean and Smooth does the trick nicely.
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Ric Clint

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Re: a NEW way to attack Heavy Oil!!!
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2004, 07:25:10 AM »
I agree with LuckLefty's "technique" to playing a Heavier Oiled shot!

The more I practice this, the more I'm having success with Lucky's way to play that shot.

I know people will jump at me and say, "well, your ball was just losing energy!", when I say what I'm about to say below... but how can a ball lose energy on a FRESH heavy head oiled shot?

I've tried ALOT of Heavy Load particle balls and none of them provided me the backend that I liked (the Rock-On was one of the only Heavy Load particle balls that I ever liked), but I can get on that same shot with a Reaction REV or Track SPELL or MASS CHAOS with a scuffed coverstock and get more backend than I can with those Heavy Load particle balls! Which I guess, alot of that has to do with my soft speed, too.


Lucky's approach works great, but you've got to keep the speed under control!