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Like PBA experience shots aren't hard enough...
« on: May 28, 2008, 06:21:22 AM »
Went last night to my first night of my PBA experience league.  The center has been putting all the shots out in advance, so that we could practice on them and get our stuff right.

  Worked late and just had time to go home and get my stuff.  Called the center and asked what pattern we were on and was told cheetah, so I got my stuff that I had been having success with on that pattern.  In three practice sessions, I was averaging a bit over 200 on this pattern.

  First practice ball I throww goes DEAD STRAIGHT.  No hook, not even an attempt to hook.  This is the most aggressive ball I brought with me and it has been hard to keep it on the right hand side.  Really didn't figure to use it, just was going to check the pattern out with it.

  After the 3rd or 4th attempt, I asked the NEW owner ( that has been putting the shots out for us ) what pattern this was and again was told cheetah.  I said " It's not the same cheetah I practiced on or bought my new equipment to play" and he said " No, it's not.  We ran tapes on that and found we didn't have enough volume, so we added a LOT more volume and ran new tapes.  We should know in a week or so if this is right".

  SO, I was screwed.  Nothing I had with me would even remotely work ( keep in mind, these are balls that worked great on what I was told before was the cheetah pattern).  The most aggressive piece I had with me was a B/G visionary centaur.  I've got balls that would've worked great on what we had, but didn't have then with me because of the stupid circumstances.

  Now I am mad at the center for this crap and sorry I ever joined this crappy league.  If they didn't have this shot right the first time, what makes them think it was right this time?  And, if NONE of the shots we practiced on had the right volume of oil, none of them was right, so, none of the equipment I set up for those shots will be right either.

  I was warned by a friend that, if they couldn't even get a simple house shot down right all the time, there was NO WAY they would be able to get a PBA shot down right.  I should have listened to him.  

  Now, instead of averaging around 190-200, I shoot a 496 and am averaging 165, even after spending all that time and money to practice and get my equipment right, all for nothing, because the center changed what we had practiced on.  

  I'm not crying about the average, didn't really expect to score a lot, but I at least expected the shot to be what I practiced on and set my equipment up for.  The guy who shot best was throwing a Total NV and just barely getting it to hook enough to carry.  He was high series with a 630 something.

  Now, how do I know what to expect?  I mean, if the volumes were off before, none of the shots are going to be the same as we practiced on.
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Re: Like PBA experience shots aren't hard enough...
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2008, 07:24:28 PM »
juggernaut, what type of lanes are in this center ? what type of lane machine do they have ?   if this house has newer brunswick synthetic lanes your equipment may have to be dull for this pattern. how dull ?  well, i've used a brunswick bvp mammoth wetsanded 220 grit on this pattern and i wished it was duller( 180 abralon would have worked ). i've also bowled this pattern on amf hpl synthetics and they had much more friction----a smoothsanded reactive ball was perfect early. then later a polished one was better.

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Re: Like PBA experience shots aren't hard enough...
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2008, 07:31:11 PM »
The last time I played Cheetah it was one two-month-old AnviLane with Brunswick oil and the Brunswick oil machine. It played just like Juggernaut's story.

There was no free hook near the gutter. There was no breakpoint outside 3 at all. There were, however, a lot of people with a lot of hand throwing a lot of balls in the gutter.

The only thing I could get to work was up 10 with heavy-oil equipment, and even then, it wasn't really "working." I had one double in nine games. But if I'd kept trying to play it "by the book," I wouldn't have broken 100.

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Re: Like PBA experience shots aren't hard enough...
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2008, 08:48:44 PM »
This post is full of good information. /digg
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Re: Like PBA experience shots aren't hard enough...
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2008, 08:50:33 PM »
Personally, I think you have to throw out the notion of where you should play each pattern. Too many variables in a PBAX league to rely on what Barnes and Tommy Jones tell you in a little video or what the PBA tells you. In the PBAX league I bowled in last year I pretty much played up 8 or so and just used 3 different balls depending on the pattern. I simply don't have the hand to play deep on Shark and the Cheetah I bowled on did not give you an advantage to play the gutter like you might on another version of Cheetah.

Being a PBA league, definitely bring equipment that covers a wide spectrum in case you run into what you did. Also go in with a clear mind and find a shot that works well for your game and ball for that particular look.

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Re: Like PBA experience shots aren't hard enough...
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2008, 09:07:46 PM »
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ADJUST!!! I dont know why ANY league, or tournament would ever tell you what pattern is being run.
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Re: Like PBA experience shots aren't hard enough...
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2008, 09:09:30 PM »
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That's why there is no "book". There is no successful PBA player out there that plays lanes by the "book".  Your 15 minutes of warm up is what you need to use gather information and develop a plan of attack.  If the plan is similar to the "book" well your in luck, if it's not you need to use those 15 mins wisely and develop a plan and see what happens.

These worst thing you can do is tell league bowlers your supposed to play the lanes X way.  They do that and they never move nor try something different, instead they will moan and complain that the lanes are not playing like the book.

Sometimes you THINK your throwing the ball over the 1-2-3 boards but your nowhere near them in reality. You think your going up 3 when  your really setting the ball down at 6 and sending it to 3.   Alot of times that very little difference on Cheetah = NO HOOK.  Sometimes the slightest head belly sends the ball way off the intended path.  Sometimes the break point isn't at the 3 board, it's at the 1 board only and getting there involves little to no head belly.





Edited on 5/28/2008 7:38 PM


That was kind of my point. We had the meeting for our league the week before we started and were told we'd be on Cheetah. We had it burned into our heads on what kind of equipment to bring, where to throw it, etc., and we get there and no one can score because it doesn't play that way.

But about the comments about not knowing whether we were hitting the 3 or the 1 board, I watched guys that have a ton more talent than me playing straight up the gutter and mashing the 3-6 "pocket" time and time again.

Then the house made it worse by saying, after the first week (we spent three weeks on each pattern) that the next week would be "different," and it wasn't. I didn't start shooting competent numbers until the third week, when I said to hell with it and ended up posting the only score above my book average by playing 15 to 13. On Cheetah.

The other patterns in our league, though, seemed to play decently close to "the book."

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Re: Like PBA experience shots aren't hard enough...
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2008, 05:12:19 AM »
I think the issue I have with this is that presumably the practice that was available prior to the start of the league was paid for by the original poster. If the pattern wasn't compliant, and they then change it, then they should have admitted their mistake and given people the opportunity to practice on the "real" condition. What's the point in offering the opportunity to practice and then changing the pattern? The people playing in the practice session have presumably paid and participated in good faith. I would expect just as much good faith from the centre.
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Re: Like PBA experience shots aren't hard enough...
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2008, 10:29:28 AM »
Let's be realistic here.  We all know bowling.  It doesnt matter how lanes are one day, they are hardly ever the same the next day.  How come there were no surface adjustments made in practice?  If you were as "accurate" as the 600 guy, can you explain exactly what you were leaving that caused you to shot 490?  If you are leaving washouts, I don't think you were being very accurate.  JMHO

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Re: Like PBA experience shots aren't hard enough...
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2008, 01:40:16 PM »
Accuracy involves hitting your target and line, consistantly.  It has nothing to do with whether you are using the proper target and line to begin with.