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completebowler

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Lane topography
« on: May 18, 2010, 07:29:15 AM »
I just mentioned this in another thread and thought it probably deserves it's own topic. This is something that I think USBC and BPAA need to wake up to and figure out a way to address it.

http://www.kegel.net/library/foArticles.asp?iKodYazi=51

I recently attended a full day seminar with some of the best bowling minds from around the world. It was an eye-opener to say the least. If it comes your way I would strongly suggest you jump on it. It covers a TON more than the link I provided. (plus I recieved a Reign of Fire since Storm was a co-sponsor)
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Re: Lane topography
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2010, 03:09:25 PM »
Why do BR donks, who miss their mark by 5-8 boards at a minimum need to worry about lane topography issues at 0.000000005"?
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Re: Lane topography
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2010, 03:12:40 PM »
todays game is so easy now with these fake balls, fake pins, fake lane conditions, any retard can average 200. I dont see any need to check anything anymore. I mean, lol, is the USBC afraid scoring will get out of control, lol. It has already happened.
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DON DRAPER

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Re: Lane topography
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2010, 04:25:40 PM »
In my opinion lane topography is as important, if not more important, than the oil pattern that has been applied.
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completebowler

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Re: Lane topography
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2010, 04:55:05 PM »
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In my opinion lane topography is as important, if not more important, than the oil pattern that has been applied.


I agree. But these guys are smarter than that so I guess we should forget about ever having a level playing field...pun intended.

Trolls like the stroke, IM2R, just keep bringing this site further and further down.

And yeah, Kegel is just trying to sell some junk. Just like their stupid lane oiling machine. We should go back to the bug sprayer application and tell them to stuff their stupid technology. They are just in USBC's pocket and stealing from all of us.(roll eyes)


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completebowler

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Re: Lane topography
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2010, 05:11:46 PM »
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 have never heard of any association checking decks, lane levelness or flat gutter hight. The only thing USBC does around here is tape your lanes 1 time a year. Plus you guys have to look at the big picture, do you really want to shut down a center because they couldnt comply with some bullsh-t USBC spec? Remember, this is someones income you are messing with.


Maybe the idiot resident lane mechanic who posts the above junk could take some pride in his job and make sure that him and the manager have the lanes level, gutter heights right, etc. instead of sitting around smoking and having a cup of coffee waiting for the next "out of range" call or posting his neanderthal views on bowling in general.


Yeah he does come across quite foolish. But that is BR for ya these days.
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Re: Lane topography
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2010, 05:34:59 PM »
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In my opinion lane topography is as important, if not more important, than the oil pattern that has been applied.


I agree. But these guys are smarter than that so I guess we should forget about ever having a level playing field...pun intended.

Trolls like the stroke, IM2R, just keep bringing this site further and further down.

And yeah, Kegel is just trying to sell some junk. Just like their stupid lane oiling machine. We should go back to the bug sprayer application and tell them to stuff their stupid technology. They are just in USBC's pocket and stealing from all of us.(roll eyes)


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I have no problem with Kegel's lane conditioning machines.  I learned everyone little nuance about the one we had and they are very effective tools for controlling scores.  The fact of the matter is they want local associations to go above and beyond the already sufficient certification practices.  Is that wrong?  Who do you think would be paying for this?  You would, with your local membership fee.
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Re: Lane topography
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2010, 10:52:53 PM »
Most of you here have no idea what you are talking about, which is an accurate sampling of bowlers in general. How do you tell a bunch of old small centers that barely make money that they have to worry about lane topography? Where does the time and money to do this come from? money for new machines does not  fall out of the sky. Unfortunately it is a little more elaborate then just getting up and not"smoking and drinking coffee". Thats why you guys dont run bowling centers.
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completebowler

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Re: Lane topography
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2010, 11:26:00 PM »
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Most of you here have no idea what you are talking about, which is an accurate sampling of bowlers in general. How do you tell a bunch of old small centers that barely make money that they have to worry about lane topography? Where does the time and money to do this come from? money for new machines does not  fall out of the sky. Unfortunately it is a little more elaborate then just getting up and not"smoking and drinking coffee". Thats why you guys dont run bowling centers.


Actually I have been heavily involved in the day to day operations at two different centers to go along with my in-laws owning the center that was voted #1 two straight years in metro Detroit. I have a very good idea what it takes to run a successful center.

I fully understand that the price to inspect the lanes will be passed on to the bowlers, just as it already is, and I am fine with that too.

I don't recall suggesting that any center buy any new equipment. The association would be purchasing the lane mapping machine. The centers may have to spend some money to bring the lanes up to date once issues are found but that is just one of the many costs of doing business. And they can always choose to not sanction the center and let the serious bowlers go find a house that is willing to invest in making sure that their lanes are in compliance.

You come across as one of the many people I have seen over the years who thinks they are more important than the bowlers that walk through the center's doors.

That mind-set will eventually drive competitive bowling to the select few centers who actually listen to bowlers. And you will be looking for a job.
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Re: Lane topography
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2010, 11:32:04 PM »
Really, I first heard about this at KEGEL, BACK IN THE 90'S.
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completebowler

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Re: Lane topography
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2010, 11:57:12 PM »
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Really, I first heard about this at KEGEL, BACK IN THE 90'S.
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Yeah Doc, the technology was developed then but the Kegel machine back then was too big and bulky (and expensive) to drag around to various centers. The new machine will allow associations and centers to more easily evaluate things.

But this just goes to show you that USBC is a bit backwards in their thinking. I mean, what good will it do to promote Red, White, and Blue patterns (let alone sport and PBA) if we are on an uneven playing field?

As an anecdotal, one of the Kegel guys were talking about a pro tournament overseas where they first used the new machine. They found that one pair in particular had a tilt AND a crown on the left side.(within tolerances BTW) Happens to be the pair drawn for the title match and a left-hander was bowling. Guy said he knew the match was over before it started. Lefties had consistiently averaged 20-25 pins lower on that pair.

Is that fair?

And as I said and the testing has shown...synthetics are creating a bigger issue since there are more factors that can throw them off and they don't get milled or sanded which helps correct the problem.


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Re: Lane topography
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2010, 01:17:49 AM »
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I have never heard of any association checking decks, lane levelness or flat gutter hight.


The center certification is once a year.  And like I said previously, its usually done in the wee hours of the morning on the weekends.  Most bowlers would be totally unaware of the certification team, as its done usually when the bowl is closed.  But the center has to get their USBC sticker and they only way to do that is to get certified each year and be passed by their local association.  

Now how thorough you local association is with this is up to their integridy.  And of course the bowlers put the local board in position so its really up to the bowlers.  If the bowlers do not think their centers are getting certified correctly or adequately or they have issue with their local board, then go to the annual meeting and put in new board members.
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