Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 20, 2008, 10:33:26 AM
Do you find success playing straight, or swinging?
What type of equipment? Solids? Pearls? Polished solids?
Thanks for any information!
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Post by: JessN16 on December 20, 2008, 06:41:17 PM
It's worked for me so far. I average higher on PBA Viper than I do on a league shot. I wish I could say the same for the rest of the named patterns...lol
Jess
Post by: Dan Belcher on December 20, 2008, 08:37:20 PM
1) Crossing 4 at the arrows to 6 at the breakpoint with a dull Cell
1) Crossing 4 at the arrows to 6 at the breakpoint with a polished Total NV
3) Swinging 12 to 8 with a polished Spit Fire
That should give you an idea of how quickly this pattern changes. The heads get blown up pretty quickly and you have to chase it left a lot once that happens.
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 20, 2008, 08:43:28 PM
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Post by: Dan Belcher on December 20, 2008, 08:58:52 PM
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 20, 2008, 09:21:11 PM
I'm guessing this will be closer to the old Viper, but not spot on, so I shouldn't be expecting anything haha.
Thanks again!
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Post by: tenpin477 on December 21, 2008, 12:05:41 AM
Ive seen the Viper at 2 different houses, one I had to point the ball towards the headpin, the other I went straight up the gutter
Post by: cheech on December 21, 2008, 01:35:19 PM
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HG:300x2(SR300 both)289(sawblade)280(SR300)
HS:792(SR300)778(SR300)778(SR300/Dr.Jekyll)
2004 NYSPHSAA team champions
2007 NYSPHSAA individual high game(300) and series(1411-6 games)
arsenal: rival arch rival dead flush blue vibe scout SR300 plastic
on the way maybe the sauce or momentum swing.
sacred heart university bowling, frosh. 67th in average 12th for rookies
ave:202.3 sport 218 THS
p.s. go leftys
Post by: MI 2 AZ on December 21, 2008, 04:41:00 PM
I did try a couple of shots in warmup on the ten board and fifteen board, but the ball was reading the lanes too early because of the shorter, flatter pattern (38 ft) compared to our THS 44 ft pattern.
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Post by: JessN16 on December 22, 2008, 04:53:52 PM
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Thanks to all the posters for the info on here. Had to bowl on the Viper today and did play the 5 board with some success with an Immortal Solid drilled Rico. Too much speed or 1-2 boards right and the ball did not finish strong enough. A bit slow or miss 1-2 boards left and it was on the headpin. Missed two single pin spares (9 and 10) and three splits (7-10 twice, 2-4-10).
I did try a couple of shots in warmup on the ten board and fifteen board, but the ball was reading the lanes too early because of the shorter, flatter pattern (38 ft) compared to our THS 44 ft pattern.
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Suggestion -- Next time you try it, try it up 10 with something with a little polish on it or not drilled to roll as early as a Rico drill.
Reason I say that is I feel there's a misconception about the total oil volume of the PBA patterns. I've found them to be lower than a lot of people assume they are, particularly Viper, Chameleon and (sometimes) Cheetah.
The greatest success I've had is when I played Viper with a Lane #1 Tsunami H20 with a polished finish and a pin-up drill. But I've also had success on that pattern with a Track Mean Machine (also pin-up), which is a pearl, and a Strom Dark Thunder with some polish on it.
Jess
Post by: Dan Belcher on December 22, 2008, 04:59:22 PM
quote:Depends on the house and the oil machine. And heck, the house I've bowled on PBA patterns in (both a PBA Experience league and the Kentucky Open final day) put down pretty high volumes on all the patterns this year. I never once used anything polished, unlike last year in the same house when I used a polished Total NV and a polished Spit Fire on the shorter patterns. This year I used a dull Cell even on the Viper just to get any midlane read. Even the Cheetah played very tight.
Reason I say that is I feel there's a misconception about the total oil volume of the PBA patterns. I've found them to be lower than a lot of people assume they are, particularly Viper, Chameleon and (sometimes) Cheetah.
Post by: cheech on December 22, 2008, 05:07:53 PM
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HG:300x2(SR300 both)289(sawblade)280(SR300)
HS:792(SR300)778(SR300)778(SR300/Dr.Jekyll)
2004 NYSPHSAA team champions
2007 NYSPHSAA individual high game(300) and series(1411-6 games)
arsenal: rival arch rival dead flush blue vibe scout SR300 plastic
on the way maybe the sauce or momentum swing.
sacred heart university bowling, frosh. 67th in average 12th for rookies
ave:202.3 sport 218 THS
p.s. go leftys
Post by: JessN16 on December 22, 2008, 05:30:15 PM
quote:quote:Depends on the house and the oil machine. And heck, the house I've bowled on PBA patterns in (both a PBA Experience league and the Kentucky Open final day) put down pretty high volumes on all the patterns this year. I never once used anything polished, unlike last year in the same house when I used a polished Total NV and a polished Spit Fire on the shorter patterns. This year I used a dull Cell even on the Viper just to get any midlane read. Even the Cheetah played very tight.
Reason I say that is I feel there's a misconception about the total oil volume of the PBA patterns. I've found them to be lower than a lot of people assume they are, particularly Viper, Chameleon and (sometimes) Cheetah.
I have to used dull equipment on Scorpion. I hesitate to give my recommendation on Shark, because it involves playing way out off the corner with a pro-pin ball that I get a very specific reaction with, as I cannot play deep inside and be successful.
But while I've gone to dull equipment on some Cheetah versions, I have yet to have to play with anything besides polished equipment on Chameleon or Viper -- and on Viper, I've played on it on high- and low-friction surfaces, with both Kegel and Brunswick oiling machines. I find Viper to basically play like a tight THS.
Jess
Post by: Jay on December 22, 2008, 06:45:17 PM
Post by: ek11sx on December 22, 2008, 07:45:12 PM
Post by: JessN16 on December 22, 2008, 09:49:47 PM
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Now that you mention volume, Jess, I've got a question. On the Viper, with my 4000 Abralon Counter Strike, I found the most success going almost straight up 5. Just about anything else hooked early or didn't hook up. This is in my PBAX league. Surface is pro anvilane. Now we're on the Scorpion, and something I can't figure out is playing the same line the ball goes through the nose. I've found decent success with my Rival at 2000 Abralon about 12 out to 8 but nothing special. I just don't understand why it plays the way it does compared to their Viper. If it matters, I don't know the oil machine but it's one of those that goes from lane to lane by itself apparently, if that helps.
I'm really not the best go-to person for lane play, because I'm not a really great bowler. I figure what works for me and what works for you are liable to be very different (although our stats, looking at your profile, do seem to be pretty close).
I don't know why Scorpion would check up for you sooner, considering it's a longer pattern with more volume. Scorpion for me was always to take one of the strongest balls I had, go straight up somewhere between 10 and 13, and wait for the thing to start breaking down a little.
What might be happening is your ball may actually be burning up on Viper and it just looks like it doesn't have enough to turn the corner. Just for the heck of it, take some medium and weak stuff out there with you the next time you're on Viper and see what happens.
Jess
Post by: Jay on December 22, 2008, 11:51:43 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on December 23, 2008, 01:59:32 AM
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Suggestion -- Next time you try it, try it up 10 with something with a little polish on it or not drilled to roll as early as a Rico drill.
Jess, I can try that as I should be facing the Viper pattern twice more. I also have a Dark Thunder, so I could polish that up. What kind of finish do you think you ended up with on yours? I mean, was it a high gloss? I do have Resurrection, Bean's Sauce, and some other polishes available.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on December 23, 2008, 02:03:20 AM
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44ft house shot?
Yeah, probably why my Immortal Solid Rico does well for me.
It used to be 41 or 42 ft but they lengthened it because of complaints by other bowlers that the great wall was breaking down too quickly (or so I heard).
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Post by: JessN16 on December 23, 2008, 09:39:07 AM
quote:quote:
Suggestion -- Next time you try it, try it up 10 with something with a little polish on it or not drilled to roll as early as a Rico drill.
Jess, I can try that as I should be facing the Viper pattern twice more. I also have a Dark Thunder, so I could polish that up. What kind of finish do you think you ended up with on yours? I mean, was it a high gloss? I do have Resurrection, Bean's Sauce, and some other polishes available.
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This was prior to the time I started drilling my own stuff, so I can't tell you what polish the pro shop used. I do know the pro shop was a Columbia (pre-Ebonite buyout) shop, and was stocked well with Track and Powerhouse polishes. We took the box grit (800?) and polished it not to a gemstone finish, but it was definitely smooth and had a sheen to it. I'd say it was probably Track Clean and Polish that was used.
The drill on this ball was 4x4, pin over ring.
Jess