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Jorge300

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Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« on: May 09, 2013, 11:36:02 AM »
I read the thread on Complete's $100,000 payout league. Within it there are a number of other posters talking about leagues with lots of bowlers and waiting lists, etc. So I want to try and tap into these resources to get some ideas as to how we can attract bowlers to our league.
 
We have a Sports Shot League every Thursday night. We sanction as a Sports league so that our bowlers can't try and use this average to enter handicap events (another league on Tuesday nights bowls sport patterns but is not sanctioned sport and bowlers have tried to use this average as a "regular" average). We want to be "the" league in our area, to showcase the best bowlers bowling on the harder shots. This year we had 9 3 man teams. We are looking at ways we can bring in more bowlers. We are a draft league so the highest averages become captains and then we draft from the lowest captain average to the highest. For round two the combined averages for each team is calculated and the lowest drafts first, and so on. We have a wide range of bowlers, from Storm Amatuer staff, to Team Canada members at the top end to a a group averaging in the 170-185 range (sport), to a few in the 160's (sport).
 
For next year we are going to try doing two halfs, drafting the first week and halfway through our season. Each half we will bowl on 2 Sport patterns, one long, one short. The last 2 weeks of each half will be a playoff that will have it's own prize money. These are new and some things we thought might attract more bowlers. We are already the highest payout in the city, and one of the more expensive league fee's as well.
 
Sorry for the long post, but wanted to give you the background of our league. Does anyone have any ideas on what we can do to attract more bowlers? We are open to most anything. I would love to hear some of BR.com members ideas. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 04:01:18 PM »
Honestly Jorge I have run, helped run, and promoted tons of events and leagues and I simply cannot give you a clear answer as to what draws or doesn't draw bowlers. It always flat out seems like a crap shoot.

Thinking of setting up a great Voss and Duke clinic and I am extremely worried about turnout. At the end of the day, it seems like it always boils down to money....which is a shame. You have to drive a sponsored prize fund, have huge pots, or really cheap lineage and events.

That is my best guess these days.

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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 09:46:17 AM »
A local center is doing a 2 ball challenge sport league and has had better turn out than I expected.  They teamed with their pro shop and for $100 up front fee you got the two balls that had to be used. Now, should the majority of the people be bowling on a sport shot (me included, at least the first two weeks), no they were drawn in for the deal on two new balls.  But they did draw 22 three person teams for 16 weeks in the summer.

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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 10:02:16 AM »
Unfortunately, I think cisco is correct. For some/most it will be the expectation of getting some  kind of "deal" to join a league with a sport shot. I think for as many reasons as you can come up with someone will use it not to bowl a sport shot.

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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 04:30:56 PM »
Its very hard to get house bowlers to join Sport shot leagues because they dont want to see where their game is lacking. This week i was talking to a guy that has been bowling over 40years and i asked him why he doesn't want to bowl the pba league this summer. He told me straight forward that he doesn't want to have to struggle and bowl badly. He wants to be able to shoot high scores and not have to adjust must over a night. The next reason was his real answer. He said he doesn't like to lose, why bother bowling when it will take him to long to figure out how to bowl on a shot and have no chance on winning the league.

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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2013, 02:18:46 PM »
I'd absolutely love to bowl a sport shot league, but none of the centers near me offer them except in the summer.  I think the number of us that actually want to get better and challenge ourselves is actually pretty small.
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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2013, 02:51:18 PM »
Thanks everyone for taking the time. I know there is no easy answer. We have a "have a ball" league in the spring (now). I don't see it working for an entire winter league though, but something to keep in mind.
 
Icon, I wanted to address your post in particular. You mentioned talking to bowler who has been bowling for 40 years. You say his real answer is "he doesn't like to lose". But does he realize that everyone will be bowling below there house league average? Does he think he will struggle that much more then everyone else that he will lose all the time? Why does he think he has no shot to win the league when everyone will be bowling "bad"? This is the type of thinking I want to get beyond and was hoping someone had an idea or something that worked in their area. I just don't understand people's thinking around not wanting to bowl in a league like this. It will be a way to increase one's skill level which will help them bowl better in their house shot leagues and give them a better chance to win those leagues. It will help them bowl better in tournaments, if they enter them. It will help them bowl better at the USBC Open, if they attend. The pluses far outweigh the minuses if you sit back and take an objective look at it. But yet people won't do that or put more weight on not "bowling bad". I just don't get that.
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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2013, 03:05:30 PM »
Here in Pasadena, TX we have run a Sport/PBA Experience/Team USA Sport League in the summer now for the past 9-10 years on Tuesday nights and have avg 26 teams. This year we are going with the PBA Experience since the PBA & USBC have teamed up and are offering a FREE Regional entry for the winning Team. We also ran a "Have-A-Ball" League the second half of the fall league and attracted 10 3 member teams and are looking at having another "Have-A-Ball" league this summer.
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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2013, 06:46:59 AM »
Jorge, in your last post you mentioned it will help them bowl better in league/tournaments. There is one young man in my son's youth league, last winter (2011-2012) he carried a low 170. He joined a summer sports league and admitted he really struggled, but learned a lot. This past winter he carried roughly 205-210 in two different leagues.

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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2013, 08:38:32 AM »
Jorge300,

I think it boils down to this.

On a THS shot - a decent bowler vs a "true" good bowler will win 30-70% of the time based on THS luck & carry.

On a sport shot, that drops to about 5-10%. 

Yes they match up against the other decent bowlers, but they don't want to lose the THS advantage they have against the good ones IMO.

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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2013, 10:12:40 AM »
Txbowler,
      I understand what you said. But in our league we do it by draft. And the positions are set based on averages. So if we had 9 teams as we did this year, the lowest average on the team bowls leadoff, the middle average middle, and the highest average last. Since we draft based on average, the leadoffs are usually the lowest 9 averages in the league. Now at any given time, someone may start improving, or match up to a pattern better and move from leadoff to second or the opposite. So with that in mind, you are bowling against others at your skill level on the tougher patterns. So a "decent" bowler will be bowling against other "decent" bowlers, for the most part. So unless they improve, they won't be bowling against the "true" good bowlers.
 
I understand the thinking though. But what I don't understand is why people think this way. Why wouldn't you want to better your skills by bowling in a Sports league? If you want to "win" more on your THS leagues, then this is a way to do it. It will also help you improve if you go to tournaments. Now, I do realize there is a certain population of bowlers that will never bowl in a sports shot league. I am not trying to convert them as I know that is impossible. What I am looking for is the next level up from that, the 180-210 average THS bowlers. I know there is no easy answers, but anything anyone has tried that has worked, I'd be willing to listen to. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2013, 10:24:28 AM »
Jorge300,

I wish I knew the answer.

I think it is simply that a lot of bowlers have had nothing but THS fed to them for most of their bowling careers.

They simply do not have the desire to improve, or want to work for success.

Why learn to parallel park if the car will do it for you?

If you ultimately need to parallel park, you fail, or you just don't park there.

I think the above applies to many of today's bowlers.  Not all.  But a lot.

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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2013, 09:14:42 PM »
We have a alot of pretty good bowlers in the area and alot of guys that enjoy getting away from the same old ths so we have pretty big numbers in our PBAX league.

One thing i noticed is that all of the talk about the league is positive from guys that bowl in it to people that hear about then tell others everyone says how much it is or how much fun it looks like. And how guys havea great time that by itself has generated great interest in the league.
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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2013, 10:03:45 PM »
It just seems that some people would rather average 220 and lose every game than win shooting 185.  Not too much you can say to those people.

I suggest targeting the bowlers that can benefit most from the average compression that happens in sport leagues (185-240 becomes 175-210).  I'm thinking of those guys with a solid game that average 190-200 THS and Sport and Parking Lot.  Not many huge sets or games, but don't have open frames, either.  On THS they get run over, but could win many matches on sport. These bowlers tend to come back year-year, but the 220+ guys that do not have complete games will not return for a second dose of reality.


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Re: Attracting Bowlers to Sports Shot League
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2013, 01:18:07 AM »
A little off the subject, but I think the real benefit of sport leagues is learning some versatility.  I have never agree that a house shot rewards sprayers.  What a house shot rewards is extreme releases, either very powerful or very straight.  Guys averaging 220+ on house shots are repeating shots without throwing it all over the lane.  What they aren't doing is developing a release that allows them to plays different angles without using a lot of out angle.