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Neptune66

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Drillers who don't make exact duplicates
« on: October 30, 2008, 07:52:58 AM »
Anyone have problems with a driller either not being able to (or unconciously unwilling to) exactly duplicate the drilling of another ball?

My main driller is fantastic, and I am happy with 90% or better of what he does for me on the first try. And if a ball does need adjusting, he's very good at fixing it. But... he doesn't carry any used balls for sale, and while I buy mostly brand new, occasionally I'll see a used ball in another shop (at another bowling alley) and snap it up.  

I could take the ball back to my favorite driller, and he would drill it for me, but I'm usually anxious to use the ball right away, and I don't really want to advertise to him that I have bought a ball from someone else even if he doesn;t carry that version of it (i.e. used).

Unfortunately, whenever I do that (buy a used ball and have it drilled up by somneone else) I am almost always disappointed and frustrated.  I ask them to match another ball that I have with me that fits perfectly, and at first....it seems like they did that. But after awhile, I begin to notice that I am coming out of the ball too soon for one reason or another, usually cause they did NOT duplicate exactly the thumb in terms of size, pitch, amount of beveling, and even the shape of the thumbhole. The exact discrepancy doesn't matter. What does is the fact that they cannot seem to comprehend or execute the request that they MATCH the other ball.  

Why is that so hard?

In the end.... I frequently end up back at my main driller begging for mercy and asking him to fix the mis-drilled ball.

 

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Re: Drillers who don't make exact duplicates
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2008, 12:30:44 PM »
Look into Vises interchangeable thumb system...the IT. Instead of molds, you can just swap your slug from one ball to the next. The is a great option, especially for people with little to no bevel.

los2003

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Re: Drillers who don't make exact duplicates
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2008, 12:41:12 PM »
I personally have only had that done once and that was when my uncle ran his own pro shop.. No one in my area does it.

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I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong here but when u tell most driller to open the thumb hole up a little the first thing they do is grab a bevel sander. if you know what you want and they way you want it done (which it sounds like you do) you need to specifically say that to him and what areas you want opened up. because just say you want it opened up a lil could make one think the whole thumb hole. not just the bottom or a side.


Years ago, drillers would put yellow wax pencil on your thumb, and work out the "rub areas", where yellow wax was left in the hole...Haven't seen that done anywhere, since the early-1980s.
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Re: Drillers who don't make exact duplicates
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2008, 12:57:51 PM »
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I personally have only had that done once and that was when my uncle ran his own pro shop.. No one in my area does it.


los2003,

I think it helps get the thumbhole, pretty close to a good fit...depending on the experience of the driller.
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Re: Drillers who don't make exact duplicates
« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2008, 08:36:51 AM »
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Look into Vises interchangeable thumb system...the IT. Instead of molds, you can just swap your slug from one ball to the next. The is a great option, especially for people with little to no bevel.


That is another option.  I'm not sure about the cost, but one thing you have to consider is if you're going to be able to find a shop that has the equipment to install them.  Then you also have to factor in the cost of retrofitting your existing equipment.

IMHO, it's probably easiest to just have a mold made and then order 5-10 slugs to keep with you.  Next time you find a ball that you want all you have to worry about is if the shop can get the correct cut to cut measurements.

Most shops seem to charge close to $10 for a slug to begin with, so $12 for a custom duplicate doesn't seem like a big deal.
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Re: Drillers who don't make exact duplicates
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2008, 11:30:21 AM »
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I can never understand, why a driller, after I tell them that I will finish the thumbhole, still will run the bevel sander down the thumbhole?


Force of habit.  When we learned it was stressed to us that the hole as left by the bit is rough and has to be smoothed out, and that is done with the bevel sander.  Now, if you have instructed him to leave it raw, he should do so.  If you're watching him and he heads toward the hole with the bevel sander, holler "Whoa" or something and I'll bet you he'll say "Oops, I forgot".  I'm sure you have habits also, for example try shaving the wrong side of your face first and see how awkward it is.  --  JohnP