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J_w73

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Average - THS vs PBA shot
« on: January 22, 2010, 03:07:36 AM »
Looking at some stats on leaguesecretary.com and USBC.  You see some bowlers averaging 240 and 250 that you would think would be able to go pro.
These bowlers are good but are there some 230 and 240 bowlers that just fall apart on a PBA shot?

What is the biggest difference in average you have see in your local area for someone between the THS and PBA shots?
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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2010, 11:32:45 AM »
30 pins for myself.


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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2010, 11:36:55 AM »
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30 pins for myself.


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That seems to be the norm 20 - 30 pins.. but they may just be cause most people are from 190 to 210 ave and drop to 175 - 185..
I'm wondering if some people that shoot 230,240,and 250 on a THS still end up at the 185 on the PBA..
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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2010, 11:37:08 AM »
30 pins here too, between the THS and Kegel sport series. To be fair though, we started our Sport league on Highway to Hell, which is the flattest of the 4. So that number might go down.

I''m sure people do drop from 230-240 to 185... whats the difference between 220 and 240? I guarantee that we have 220 average bowlers on our THS that would jump 10-15 pins atleast on an easier THS.

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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2010, 11:50:30 AM »
I am not one of the better bowlers at our house, just a hack, but I am looking at the league sheets for the leagues I bowled in right now to see what the highest averages were over 220 (all of our leagues are done for this season).

On the Friday night mixed league, the top averages were: 226, 225, 222, 221.  Only the 222 average bowler participated in the PBA Ex league and averaged 177 there.

On the Thursday night mens league, the top averages were: 230, 225, 223, 222, 221, 220, 220.  None of them bowled in the PBA Ex league.

I don't know what can be deducted from that small of a data base.


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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2010, 02:19:16 PM »
I would have to echo what has been said previously on averages dropping 20-30 pins on the PBA/Sport pattern leagues.

Very typical to see those 220+ ave bowlers not care to bowl on a tougher PBA pattern league. Biggest reason that I have seen is they don't like to have other people seeing them struggle. Almost as bad is when the house bowlers want to take their big oil ball and try to throw it from gutter to gutter and can't get it to wrinkle. Not realizing that a milder, weaker ball with a layout that offers a more controlled ball reaction is the more effective choice. Straighter is greater on the PBA/Sport patterns.

The combination of having varying volumes of oil and a flat pattern really puts an emphasis on shot execution and more importantly on spare shooting. If you don't at first make a good shot, you have a crazy designer split to try and pick up.

Ultimately, I think you end up learning more about your game and equipment selection and this will make you a more well rounded, versatile bowler.
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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2010, 02:55:29 PM »
The biggest difference I remember seeing was a 225-230 avg. bowler down around 185. This was a few years ago when the USBC first came out with the sport shot leagues. I'll give the guy credit though, since then he's improved his game and has won 2 PBA regional titles.

Generally speaking, from what I've seen the guys who are 220+ on THS and in the 180's in a sport league either have very poor spare games or have powerful strike balls but no accuracy.
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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2010, 03:12:51 PM »
There's a big difference in house bowlers and sport though.. We have a couple of guys that are around 210 house and 200 or 205 sport. And we also have a few that avg 245 house and 185 or 190. One of our sport leage high abgs is 200 on the nose in the summer
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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2010, 03:27:47 PM »
Last season, I was at a 203 on THS, and finished with a 179 on PBAx league.  I was proud of that 179, because it was at the hardest house around if you ask me.  A regional was held there last summer, and the bubble to cash was -55 for 8.  Ryan Shafer won the tournament, and averaged 215 in 17 games.  

This year, the same PBAx league is being held at another house due to some lane availability issues.  I'm very curious to see how well the league pans out this year.
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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2010, 03:36:54 PM »
I myself dropped 35-40 pin's between the THS and PBAx leauge's. I've seen some of the 230+ average bowler's average 230-240 on the THS then on the PBAx these bowler's average 160-170 at best. Biggest thing's I see them struggle with are hitting their mark consistantly and making their spare's.
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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2010, 03:52:17 PM »
1. No outside recovery on long patterns,
2. No hold on short patterns,
3. Folks who insist on trying to hook the ball into high-side single-pin spares (i.e., the 7-pin for righty) are forced to acclimate to throwing straight, which takes time to learn.

Cumulative effect of those three things is about 30 pins.

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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2010, 04:36:40 PM »
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1. No outside recovery on long patterns,
2. No hold on short patterns,
3. Folks who insist on trying to hook the ball into high-side single-pin spares (i.e., the 7-pin for righty) are forced to acclimate to throwing straight, which takes time to learn.

Cumulative effect of those three things is about 30 pins.

Jess


Completely agree, with me it is about 30 pins as well.  The other factor that hasn't really been mentioned here yet is that it all depends on how the house lays down the pba shot.  Any bowler can study and find the spots where they are supposed to be on the patterns, but until they see how it is laid down and where the house wants them to play that can take a few pins away right there.
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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2010, 04:47:21 PM »
The hardes thing with the PBAx league i think is that you move aftre each game and do not get a warm up ball or two on the new lane.  Every lane is deffent so that is a challenge to get to the right spot early enough.

For me my biggest nemisis right now in my PBAx league is the stone 9 i keep leaving. I was on a pair right lane solod pocket strike all game. left lane stone 9 made all kinds of adjustments still stone 9.  

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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2010, 04:58:44 PM »
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1. No outside recovery on long patterns,
2. No hold on short patterns,
3. Folks who insist on trying to hook the ball into high-side single-pin spares (i.e., the 7-pin for righty) are forced to acclimate to throwing straight, which takes time to learn.

Cumulative effect of those three things is about 30 pins.

Jess


Is it a 30 pin drop or do "good" bowlers tend to fall in a range of 180-190 on a PBA shot which tends to be around 30 pins.. my point of the post was to see if a majority of high average house bowlers(230-250) fall to this 180-190 as well.. and from what people are saying it looks like they do..
I agree though, I think the more you like to swing it and bounce off the dry on a house shot.. the more you will suffer on a PBA shot..
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Re: Average - THS vs PBA shot
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2010, 05:23:53 PM »
I dropped from 204 to 170 last year(House to PBAX).  About a 35-pin drop.  My teammate averaged 165 in the same PBAX league but averages 205 on our house shot.  About a 40 pin drop.  My other teammate averages 220 and averaged around 195 in a different PBAX league last season.  I think it''s safe to say anywhere from 20-40 pins is typical.  It kind of depends on what you average on house shots because if you average 220+ there''s a bigger chance your drop will be bigger.

My house average is only 180 now but I bet my PBAX average wouldn''t drop as significantly.  Maybe to 160.  The drop tends to be less, the less you average, because it comes down to making spares which the lower average bowler is always shooting at.
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